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<blockquote data-quote="RDKirk" data-source="post: 73894621" data-attributes="member: 326155"><p>You did not quote evangelism. You quoted Paul talking to a Christian congregation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Jesus is not evangelizing in the Sermon on the Mount, He is talking to people who are already in the Old Covenant and teaching them the a New Covenant. But they are already believers in God--they are already part of His congregation. There is a difference between evangelizing and teaching, just as the officers of evangelist and teacher are different offices.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, you're totally wrong. Your reading is terribly faulty. You seem to have missed some verses:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #b30000">7 When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” 8 (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)</span></p><p><span style="color: #b30000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #b30000">9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)</span></p><p><span style="color: #b30000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #b30000">10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”</span></p><p><span style="color: #b30000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #b30000">11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”</span></p><p><span style="color: #b30000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #b30000">13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”</span></p><p><span style="color: #b30000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #b30000">15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”</span></p><p></p><p>If you'll notice, all these verses come before the verses you quoted. Jesus offered the woman the good news of His "living water" and <strong>she had already accepted<em> before </em></strong>He gave her the "bad news."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what you think that proves of your point, but it does support my point. Jesus did not come to condemn, but to save--as He did in this case, saving not condemning. His Body is to be about the same business of saving, not condemning: "<span style="color: #b30000">Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing...</span>"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And that is also my point. When the Holy Spirit has done His work to discomfit a person with his current life, then all the person needs is the Good News:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #b30000">Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RDKirk, post: 73894621, member: 326155"] You did not quote evangelism. You quoted Paul talking to a Christian congregation. Jesus is not evangelizing in the Sermon on the Mount, He is talking to people who are already in the Old Covenant and teaching them the a New Covenant. But they are already believers in God--they are already part of His congregation. There is a difference between evangelizing and teaching, just as the officers of evangelist and teacher are different offices. No, you're totally wrong. Your reading is terribly faulty. You seem to have missed some verses: [COLOR=#b30000]7 When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” 8 (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.) 9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.) 10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.” 11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?” 13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” 15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”[/COLOR] If you'll notice, all these verses come before the verses you quoted. Jesus offered the woman the good news of His "living water" and [B]she had already accepted[I] before [/I][/B]He gave her the "bad news." I'm not sure what you think that proves of your point, but it does support my point. Jesus did not come to condemn, but to save--as He did in this case, saving not condemning. His Body is to be about the same business of saving, not condemning: "[COLOR=#b30000]Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing...[/COLOR]" And that is also my point. When the Holy Spirit has done His work to discomfit a person with his current life, then all the person needs is the Good News: [COLOR=#b30000]Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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