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SH89 said:Nobody. Unless, of course, you believe that it's a sin and, as a result, you live a life full of guilt and anxiety. I know from experience.
I say this in as light and humorous a way as possible (internet does not convey intonation well), but wasn't that really easy for Solomon to say, given that he had 700? Plus the concubines...Solomon said to be ravished always with your wife
what do you mean a scene?Mling said:I say this in as light and humorous a way as possible (internet does not convey intonation well), but wasn't that really easy for Solomon to say, given that he had 700? Plus the concubines...
Anyway, real comment. Several people have made the point that masturbation isn't sinful, but lust is.
Would the people who've said that consider it sinful to fantasize about somebody who doesn't really exist? Not even a fictional character, but just...imagining a scenerio, and enjoying that. I've always thought that lust is wrong because it dehumanizes a person, and turns them into little more than a fun piece of art. If fantasies are directed toward a scene, and not a real person, would you still consider it lust? Sinful?
bod44 said:you're not supposed to lust after your wife!! In the greek lust means to literally seek after a forbidden thing! You're supposed to love your wife not lust after your wife.
If your attitude is this condescending normally, debate is meaningless.SteelDisciple said:So...why is this thread still active?I mean...anyone who knows a spec of the Bible knows it's wrong.
Stealing what? Sperm?Romanseight2005 said:Are you married? If you touch in marriage, you are literally stealing from your spouse.
Whoa, says who?Romanseight2005 said:If you develop a habit of masturbating when you are single, you will keep doing it when you are married.
If I'm married and my wife won't have sex with me for some reason, am I "not loving her" by masturbating instead? What do you mean?bod44 said:I think that is is silly to think that is doesn't hurt anyone! I wouldn't even argue about masturbating when you're married because I can't even imagine how anyone could justify it! Basically you're telling your spouse that they're not pleasing you when the real problem is that you don't love your wife.
Who is "struggling" with masturbation? Couples may struggle with not having enouch sex, their drives not matching up, time, different preferences etc, but I've never heard of anyone "struggling" with masturbation. As if people would rather touch than have sex. If that is so, the problem doesn't lie in masturbation, but in their sex life.bod44 said:the only people that struggle with masturbation when married are the people that never got control of their eyes and their heart before they were married.
holo said:Stealing what? Sperm? Everything about your sexuality belongs to your wife. Every part of it is for her, and her's for you. In a more practical sense, if you touch, you won't be able to perform with your wife because you've just given it to yourself.
Whoa, says who?
If I'm married and my wife won't have sex with me for some reason, am I "not loving her" by masturbating instead? What do you mean? First of all, if you develop a habit of masturbating now, you will continue to do it in your marriage. It is not something that you will do now, and not later. You are developing life habits, and they start now. You won't touch because your wife doesn't want to be with you. You will do it, because you will have developed a habit of self gratification which is nothing like making love to your spouse. You will steal intimacy from yourself and your wife as well. Your focus will be yourself and that is not love.
Who is "struggling" with masturbation? Couples may struggle with not having enouch sex, their drives not matching up, time, different preferences etc, but I've never heard of anyone "struggling" with masturbation. As if people would rather touch than have sex. If that is so, the problem doesn't lie in masturbation, but in their sex life.
I'll have to see some sort of documentation for this outrageous claim. You're talking about masturbation like it was some sort of drug (and that people would prefer masturbation to real sex - I mean, how sordid must your sex life be for that to happen?)Romanseight2005 said:People who struggle with masturbation are people who thought like you did when they were 16 or 17. They get into their mid twenties( still masturbating because that is the way they have learned to be sexual) they meet a woman and fall in love. They get married thinking they won't have to touch anymore, only to discover that they can't stop, and it destroys their marriage.
What? "Except with your wife"? What does that mean? Says who?Romanseight2005 said:Did you know that masturbation causes chemical reactions to occur in your brain that should not be happening except with your wife?
Please cite some credible source for this, and explain exactly how masturbation (or rather, lack of sex) harms people.Romanseight2005 said:The problem with this is that during lovemaking, you also get other chemicals, oxytocin and pheromones, that you don't get wih masturbation. Over time this influx of only half of the chemicals, literally changes the chemical reactions in your brain.
Hehe, you don't have to worry about raining on my parade. I'll go check out a few of your other posts to make sure you're not joking (no offense).Romanseight2005 said:I am not telling you this to rain on your parade. I am trying to spare you from a horribly destructive habit that can completely destroy your future marriage, and possibly your life.
You're not providing any sort of evidence that masturbation is harmful to men or women. No, I haven't looked at divorce rates lately. Should I? Do they have anything to do with masturbation?Romanseight2005 said:I am telling you what the fruit of masturbation IS. By the way, have you looked at the divorce rate lately?
Go to the the men's corner and look for the threads relating to masturbation. I am not telling you some fantasy. I am telling you what the fruit of masturbation IS. By the way, have you looked at the divorce rate lately?
Joshua Howard said:Masturbation is not a sin. We could debate whether it is natural or not though, or if it is optimal healthwise.
Lust is where the masturbater goes wrong. Playing out sexual fantasies in one's mind is not exactly what I'd call "clean" or "pure." We should all guard the gate of our mind with supreme care and a majestic reverence.
Mling said:PS: why just the "men's" corner?
That's such a pet peeve of mine, the idea that women ("good" women anyway) don't enjoy sex. It has done so much damage to so many girls for far too long.
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