Is it a sin to cut down trees?

[FriendlyJosh]

I been watching a lot of nature survivalist tv shows and youtube videos and i'm determined to make fire using the hand drill method(friction fire) but is it a sin to cut down trees? Here's an example of said method

Ray Mears-Friction Fire Starting In The Desert - YouTube

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I been watching a lot of nature survivalist tv shows and youtube videos and i'm determined to make fire using the hand drill method(friction fire) but is it a sin to cut down trees? Here's an example of said method

Ray Mears-Friction Fire Starting In The Desert - YouTube

No, it's not a sin to cut down trees. However, we should have respect for all of God's creation, and not abuse it.

BTW, you don't need to cut down a tree to make a hand drill to make a fire.

In fact, using green wood would be counter productive.

The video you posted, has to do with survival in a desert, where trees aren't abundant.


Jim

 

[FriendlyJosh]

No, it's not a sin to cut down trees. However, we should have respect for all of God's creation, and not abuse it.

BTW, you don't need to cut down a tree to make a hand drill to make a fire.

In fact, using green wood would be counter productive.

The video you posted, has to do with survival in a desert, where trees aren't abundant.


Jim

I know, you need to let it dry, I was just asking if the situation came where I needed to cut down a tree. Thanks for your response.

 

[Elvisman]

If it were a sin to cut down a tree, then building Noah's Ark, building the Ark of the Covenant, cooking all those paschal lambs, and printing all those Bibles would have made God a hypocrite . . .

 

[MikeK]

If it were a sin to cut down a tree, then building Noah's Ark, building the Ark of the Covenant, cooking all those paschal lambs, and printing all those Bibles would have made God a hypocrite . . .

Is it impossible to make ships, cooking fuel and paper from naturally-fallen (though not rotten) trees?

..and no, Josh, it is not a sin o cut down trees. We are called to be good stewards, but we a allowed to kill animals, eat plants, and cut-down trees in a responsible manner. I cut down one or two dozen trees a year. I probably plant as many. I heat my home with an EPA certified low emission wood stove.

 

[Elvisman]

Is it impossible to make ships, cooking fuel and paper from naturally-fallen (though not rotten) trees?

..and no, Josh, it is not a sin o cut down trees. We are called to be good stewards, but we a allowed to kill animals, eat plants, and cut-down trees in a responsible manner.

Can you show me a paper mill that only uses fallen trees?
I'll give you a cookie if you can find me just ONE . . .

 

[Wolseley]

No, it's not a sin to cut down trees, but why not plant a few for every one you cut down? I've cut down a total of two trees since I've been on this property where I live, and I've planted a total of twenty-five.

 

[MikeK]

Can you show me a paper mill that only uses fallen trees?
I'll give you a cookie if you can find me just ONE . . .

I don't want your cookie, but as you elected not to answer the questions presented to you, I will.

Ships, paper and fuel can be made with naturally fallen trees. An order from God to use wood is not a command to cut down a tree and should not be mistaken for one. God would not be a "hypocrite" if He ordered Noah to build the ark without chopping down a tree.

The facts that a) no commercial paper mills refuse to cut down trees and b) Bibles are printed at paper mills, are not sufficient to bring about the conclusion that cutting down trees is permitted by God.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Can you show me a paper mill that only uses fallen trees?
I'll give you a cookie if you can find me just ONE . . .

They all use fallen trees only.

Don't know of any other way of making paper except to fell a tree and process it into pulp.


Jim

 

[Elvisman]

They all use fallen trees only.

Don't know of any other way of making paper except to fell a tree and process it into pulp.


Jim

Exactly- our angry friend Mike's rants notwithstanding . . .

 

[Elvisman]

I don't want your cookie, but as you elected not to answer the questions presented to you, I will.

Ships, paper and fuel can be made with naturally fallen trees. An order from God to use wood is not a command to cut down a tree and should not be mistaken for one. God would not be a "hypocrite" if He ordered Noah to build the ark without chopping down a tree.

The facts that a) no commercial paper mills refuse to cut down trees and b) Bibles are printed at paper mills, are not sufficient to bring about the conclusion that cutting down trees is permitted by God.

Having another bad day, Mikey?

 

[MikeK]

Exactly- our angry friend Mike's rants notwithstanding . .

Having another bad day, Mikey?

Nope. I'm rather happy. Internet exposure to poor logic isn't sufficient to ruin my day. Go ahread and re-read what you posted -

"If it were a sin to cut down a tree, then building Noah's Ark, building the Ark of the Covenant, cooking all those paschal lambs, and printing all those Bibles would have made God a hypocrite . . . "

I pointed out, in charity, that your statement was nonsense, as your conclusion did not logically follow what you presupposed. The honest thing to do would have been to thank me and correct your argument.

 

[Elvisman]

Nope. I'm rather happy. Internet exposure to poor logic isn't sufficient to ruin my day. Go ahread and re-read what you posted -

I pointed out, in charity, that your statement was nonsense, as your conclusion did not logically follow what you presupposed. The honest thing to do would have been to thank me and correct your argument.

Ummm . . . you still haven't provided me with a paper mill that only uses trees that have fallen down by themselves. Nor have you proven that Noah's Ark or the Ark of the Covenant were made with anything other than trees that were cut down - OR the possibility that the OT Jews got their firewood from chopping down trees.

Since the Scriptures are not explicit in any of these cases - your objections are merely an exercise in arguing and frustration from the fact that you need to win.

 

[MikeK]

Ummm . . . you still haven't provided me with a paper mill that only uses trees that have fallen down by themselves.

Of course I didn't, I plainly stated that none exist that I know of. They could exist, and certainly at some point paper was made from a tree that fell by nature. It is possible to make paper without cutting down trees. Evidence that God ordered us to print Bibles on paper (which doesn't exist that I know of, but I'll let that go), or build a wooden ship, or build a fire, is not evidence that God commanded us to cut down trees. It is possible to do all of these things without cutting down trees, and if God had elected to add a commandment not to cut down trees, He would not make Himself a hypocrite as you errantly claimed.

Nor have you proven that Noah's Ark or the Ark of the Covenant were made with anything other than trees that were cut down - OR the possibility that the OT Jews got their firewood from chopping down trees.

Not only did I not prove that to be the case, I did not claim that to be the case.

Since the Scriptures are not explicit in any of these cases - your objections are merely an exercise in arguing and frustration from the fact that you need to win.

It is frustrating to witness poor logic, and I won before I started.

 

[Elvisman]

Of course I didn't, I plainly stated that none exist that I know of. They could exist, and certainly at some point paper was made from a tree that fell by nature. It is possible to make paper without cutting down trees. Evidence that God ordered us to print Bibles on paper (which doesn't exist that I know of, but I'll let that go), or build a wooden ship, or build a fire, is not evidence that God commanded us to cut down trees. It is possible to do all of these things without cutting down trees, and if God had elected to add a commandment not to cut down trees, He would not make Himself a hypocrite as you errantly claimed.

Not only did I not prove that to be the case, I did not claim that to be the case.
It is frustrating to witness poor logic, and I won before I started.

This is about the silliest debate I've ever allowed myself to be sucked into.

Perhaps, if you had a sense of humor, my original post wouldn't have offended you so. After reading many of your humorless posts, however, I won't hold my breath.
Cheer up, Mikey . . .

 

[Nietzscheiswrong]

LOL how can cutting a tree be a sin? For greenpeace loonies it might be!

This is just insane.

And makes atheists say "thank God (which they don't believe in) I aint a lunatic like those christian freaks."

I must admit they have an ace up their sleaves if they see this thread...

 

[Eastbury]

I been watching a lot of nature survivalist tv shows and youtube videos and i'm determined to make fire using the hand drill method(friction fire) but is it a sin to cut down trees? Here's an example of said method

Ray Mears-Friction Fire Starting In The Desert - YouTube

Like you, I wanted to cut a tree to make room for a fruit tree, but I couldn't. It was like killing a baby! A tree has life in it and there is no telling how conscious it is or if it feels pain. So, you could ask yourself before you cut a tree: how important it is for your survival and that of others, to cut that tree? If you're compelled to do it because it is extremely necessary or like Noah, you're about to save the races, then by no mean. But if it is only to serve a very personal, selfish desire, like in my case, planting a fruit tree to save myself buying organic fruit, then I don't think it's right. This is what I felt the Holy Spirit was whispering in my spirit earlier today.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Jesus killed a tree to make a point.

Also,

ZOMBIES!!!

Don't worry, I've got this.