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Originally posted by SUNSTONE
Paulwog
Jesus turned water into wine, and gave it to people who I believe were drunk.
In the old testiment, it says to enjoy your wine and strong drink with a merry heart.
You can also find in Ruth (I think it's Ruth) where a king's heart "merry with wine".
Originally posted by SUNSTONE
If getting drunk was a sin, then why does God say to enjoy your wine and strong drink with a merry heart?
Why does it also say to pay your tithes so that your barns maybe full, and your vats full of wine?
There are alot of verses that go either way, so you have to make them balance somehow or else its a contradiction.
Alcohol is like a computer, it can be used for good, and evil.
If it was so bad, Jesus wouldn't have talked about it at all.
What would you define being drunk? How much do you need to drink to get drunk.
Originally posted by Susan
However if you are stupid enough to drink
Originally posted by tericl2
I prefer to look at this question less from the view of "is it sin" and more from the view "how does it affect my witness".
Am I putting forth an effectual witness if i am seen drinking at the ball game or the local bar? What is your first and most immediate thought when you see someone drinking? What might other peoples thoughts be?
Considering the social stigma attached to drinking - am i acting in love of others by drinking? Appearances can be very decieving but they can also be very damaging, whether they are real or not. Out of love of others we should be willing to change our lifestyle so as not to present a stumbling block to either believers or non-believers.
If one does drink occasionally, I do believe, that as a responsible witness for Christ it should be done in private and in moderation.
God Bless
Originally posted by paulewog
Could you please tell me where in the Bible it says that it's ok to get a little drunk?
Originally posted by paulewog
Define drunk
Originally posted by humblejoe
Who has woe? Who has sorrow?
Who has contentions? Who has complaining?
Who has wounds without cause?
Who has redness of eyes?
Those who linger long over wine,
Those who go to taste mixed wine.
- Proverbs 23:29&30, NASB
Your eyes will see strange things
And your mind will utter perverse things.
And you will be like one who lies down in the middle of the sea,
Or like one who lies down on the top of a mast.
- Proverbs 23:33&34, NASB
Originally posted by SUNSTONE
Well I guess I have never been drunk before, but I really think that this is a definition of a drunkard, notice at the end it says, "and when I awake I will seek another drink".
Originally posted by caley
Maybe we need to make a distinction between being a drunkard and being drunk. Not all drunks are drunkards. Drunkard is a synonym for alcoholic. Addiction is certainly a sin. However, if I go to a party once a month, get plastered, don't participate in sinful behavior while I am plastered, have fun, go home (by cab or with a sober person, of course), and feel great the next day, I have not sinned. If, on the other hand, I get to the point where I need the alcohol, then I am addicted, and therefore sinning.
Originally posted by humblejoe
You have no problem with getting plastered? Interesting...(VOW)
Actually, overindulgence in anything is a sin. Drunkeness is not the purpose of wine. The purpose of wine is to nourish, to relax, to let one enjoy companionship. When you get plastered, how are you engaging in companionship? "Companionship" comes from the Latin meaning "to break bread with someone". Pray tell, do you think that getting plastered equals "breaking bread" with someone? Getting plastered is a selfish act. When you do it, you are essentially saying, "I don't care that I am not sharing my heart, mind, and being with my friends. All I want to do is drink their alcohol and fall asleep." I suggest you read the first chapter of Robert Fabing's Real Food, from which I have drawn these ideas. He speaks beautifully on these ideas at length, and with power.
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