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Is it a sin not to do this on the Sabbath?

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Matthew 12:10-12 And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?'' that they might accuse Him. Then He said to them, "What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? "Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.''

Is it a sin to refuse to care for the needs of others on the Sabbath?
 

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How is a reference to the tenure of the first covenant applicable to our current dispensation that doesn't contain a sabbath?
 
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This is an excellent question and my following statement is in no way meant to be taken personally as I know nothing about k4c.

Many who ask this question are nominal Sabbatarians looking for justification for what they are already doing. Many are nurses, doctors, firefighters, air traffic controllers, soldiers etc. One of the most incongruent statements I ever heard was from my one-time SDA mentor, a doctor upside down on his mortgage. He volunteered to work in an out of town clinic on Sabbath because the “money was so good”. True, there are some jobs which require 24-7 attention, but I wonder if we should be looking for ways around the Sabbath, especially for the expressed purpose of enriching our earthly comfort, position or treasure?
 
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Ironic that some sda's condemn people who might work on the sabbath, yet a sda minister is working on the sabbath... likewise it is expected that those who provide necessary services i.e. utilities, fire depts, police depts, etc be working just in case those things are needed... Not to mention at sda institutions cafeteria workers and public safety depts work through the sabbath....
 
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Irony is a critic who has never experienced the blessing of keeping a Sabbath would have any opinion at all on it's keeping.
 
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Yes, an observation based on hatred... double the irony.

not even close... an observation based on being born and raised in an sda environment, working for sda institutions, and of course being a member... not hatred, simply the facts.... there is a double standard, it is obvious to those who choose to be honest, and sometimes even to those who attempt to defend the practice.... Adventism claims that it is wrong to work on sabbath, and that in so doing people are breaking the 4th commandment... The Adventist denomination operates institutions, i.e. schools, colleges, hospitals, churches, in which their employees work.... on sabbath.....
 
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being born and raised in an sda environment, working for sda institutions, and of course being a member ...does not make one born-again. What is your real problem with the SDA Church or the gospel.Surely it's not that pastors "work" on Sabbath.
Let's see, I've stated an obvious observation about the practices of the church and rather than deal with the issue of that practice you wish to make it about me.... this is a discussion forum, discuss the observation I mentioned or not... My relationship with God is not your concern, unless you're God....
 
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The issue is you, not the church. A meaningful conversation is based on truth and trust. l have honest questions about some things involving the church. That is my right as a member. You have proffered yourself as a member, but I do not believe you to be a current one or you would have something more to offer than pastors "working" on Sabbath, which is clearly a canard. You have every right to not engage, but better to be truthful about your membership status.
 
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LOL.... not only is my relationship with God your concern, my membership status is not your concern either, as if I need to prove to you that it is legit... Based on what you've offered on the forum thus far I seriously doubt any meaningful discussion will occur between you and I..... you take care....
 
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Irony is a critic who has never experienced the blessing of keeping a Sabbath would have any opinion at all on it's keeping.
This is said so often I really wonder exactly what it is. If I am idle to long I get a very real headache form lack of activity. Work and or activity is rest for me. I used to hate church on the week end.

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My observation is that he doesn't have that ability by demonstration.

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The Sabbath is a very busy day for me.
 
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sdadoug said:
He volunteered to work in an out of town clinic on Sabbath because the “money was so good”.

In this case the problem is not so much with what he was doing as it is with his admitted motive.
 
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It is true that it is better to save a life than to lose one. These people should at least not get payed with money when they're working on the Sabbath. It's the least they can do. Jesus never asked for money. But asking the same from them would be too much, so the least they can do is at least not getting paid in the Sabbath for doing their work.
 
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pastors work on the sabbath and get paid to do so.... should they forfeit the money earned during that time?
 
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Good question.
Many Christians have questions regarding what can be done on the Sabbath as it relates to certain jobs.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We have to understand that it's not the working or not working that makes any particular day holy, the day is holy in spite of what we do or don't do. God tells us to honor the fact that the day is holy by ceasing labor on that day. Don't we as mankind do the same thing. I have Thanksgiving, Fourth of July off in light of what the day stands for. Having these days off is not what makes them holy, these days are holy because something else made them holy.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]With that in mind, Jesus taught many times about keeping the Sabbath holy in light of necessary needs pertaining to life and service to God.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Farmers need to care for their animals seven days a week, does that make them a Sabbath breaker? Not according to Jesus. As a matter of fact, if you have animals that you care for on the Sabbath and then call someone else a Sabbath breaker for doing necessary things on the Sabbath then you are called a hypocrite by Jesus, not a Sabbath breaker.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Luke 13:10-15 Now He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. And behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bent over and could in no way raise herself up. But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, "Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.'' And He laid His hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God. But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath; and he said to the crowd, "There are six days on which men ought to work; therefore come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day.'' The Lord then answered him and said, "Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or his donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it? [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If you're hungry on the Sabbath and need to do something that would otherwise be a violation of a regulation Jesus says our human need overrides that regulation whether it's the Sabbath or not. As a matter of fact, Jesus goes on to say how this was an old testament principle as well.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Matthew 12:1-5 At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!'' Then He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: "how he entered the house of God and ate the show bread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? "Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Notice how doing something in violation of regulations due to necessary needs and service to God is not a violation of the Sabbath, this includes people who have to work on the Sabbath such as pastors, police, fire, rescue, doctors, electricians and plumbers on emergency call and so on.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Obeying the teachings of Jesus, which is what the new covenant is founded on, removes all the ritualistic keeping of the Ten Commandments. Having the Spirit of God living within you will cause you to not only obey the Ten Commandments but will lead you beyond just the keeping of the letter and move you into the spirit of the Law, which is love for God and love for mankind. This is where we find ourselves caring for needs pertaining to life in spite of it being a violation of a regulation but this does not do away with the regulation during times when there is no need pertaining to life or service to God.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]God is looking for justice, mercy and faith in our lives as new covenant Christians but not at the expense of forgetting the other things.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Many times justice, mercy and faith are not present when people keep the commandments of God out of ritualism or with a legalistic mindset. Obeying Jesus and allowing Him to write these things on our hearts and minds through the indwelling Spirit will cure these flaws in religious man over time. [/FONT]
 
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