Is Islam from God

[reddogs]

We know that God has appeared and/or given people understanding and guidance, so is it possible that Mohammad was given light like Moses and other prophets? What are your thoughts?

 

[MidnightCry]

Too easy.

To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isiah 8:20)


YSIC,
MidnightCry

 

[reddogs]

Too easy.

To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isiah 8:20)


YSIC,
MidnightCry

But as most Christian churches now claim the Law was done away with and the Testimony of the OT should be ignored, that could be used against them. Could it be that God was trying to reach the Arab tribes and people, and like Christianity in the early church they went off into what they were used to back to pagan customes and corrupted the truth they were given....

 

[MidnightCry]

I don't believe Mohammad was given light from God. Light from Lucifer, yes; but certainly not from God.

YSIC,
MidnightCry

 

[Pythons]

I don't believe Mohammad was given light from God. Light from Lucifer, yes; but certainly not from God.

YSIC,
MidnightCry

When did SDA's adopt that position?

Review and Herald, October 28, 1909
The creed of that faith is generally compressed into the wellknown formula: "There is no god but God, and Mohammed is his prophet". But there is another and longer form, which reads as follows,"I believe in God and his angels, and his books, and his prophets, and the last day, and the predestination of good and evil by God, and I bear witness that there is no God but God, and I bear witness that Mohammed is his slave and his prophet.

From the above it must be perfectly clear that Mohammedanism is very far from being the heathen religion, as some are wont to believe. It teaches belief in God, angels, the prophets, the last day, and the resurrection of the dead. More than this, About one half of the koran is a polemic against polytheism and TRINITARIANISM. In fact the word Allah is an abbreviation of Al-iah which means the ONE, TRUE, ONLY God. There is something in the nature of a challenge in the word itself to the dominant Christian church of the period when Mohammedanism arose. For the church at that time was sunk in the maze of the worship of saints and images when Mohammed came asserting THAT everlasting truth: "THERE is but ONE GOD".

 

[MidnightCry]

I don't believe Muhammad received inspiration or revelations from God. Here is just a short paragraph I found on the internet that supports my belief.


The revelation that Muhammad received:

Muslims believe that the majority of verses of the Qur'an were revealed to Muhammad or engraved on his soul by the angel Gabriel in flawless verbal inspiration or dictation.

However the so-called revelations of Muhammad could not have come from the angel Gabriel. God would not send the same angel to Muhammad at Mecca 600 years after the birth and death of his only Son to tell Muhammad that He, God, does not have a son and that His beloved Son was never crucified! Contradictory revelations like these cannot originate from the Father of Jesus Christ. They come from the same source as the Satanic Verses in Sura an-Najm 53:19-23 and the sermons to the jinns (spirits) which we can find in Suras Nuh 71:16 and al-Ahqaf 46:29-30.


Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:22,23


YSIC,
MidnightCry

 

[reddogs]

When did SDA's adopt that position?

Review and Herald, October 28, 1909
The creed of that faith is generally compressed into the wellknown formula: "There is no god but God, and Mohammed is his prophet". But there is another and longer form, which reads as follows,"I believe in God and his angels, and his books, and his prophets, and the last day, and the predestination of good and evil by God, and I bear witness that there is no God but God, and I bear witness that Mohammed is his slave and his prophet.

From the above it must be perfectly clear that Mohammedanism is very far from being the heathen religion, as some are wont to believe. It teaches belief in God, angels, the prophets, the last day, and the resurrection of the dead. More than this, About one half of the koran is a polemic against polytheism and TRINITARIANISM. In fact the word Allah is an abbreviation of Al-iah which means the ONE, TRUE, ONLY God. There is something in the nature of a challenge in the word itself to the dominant Christian church of the period when Mohammedanism arose. For the church at that time was sunk in the maze of the worship of saints and images when Mohammed came asserting THAT everlasting truth: "THERE is but ONE GOD".

In this context the word would be used against the Catholic view as Adventist used the word 'GodHead' for theirs....

 

[Pythons]

In this context the word would be used against the Catholic view as Adventist used the word 'GodHead' for theirs....

What would that context be then?
...I've read Muhammad's Quran from cover to cover.
...& highlighted exactly what his beef with the Trinity was - so I would interested in talking about this.

 

[lollipop2red]

I don't believe Muhammad received inspiration or revelations from God. Here is just a short paragraph I found on the internet that supports my belief.

The revelation that Muhammad received:

Muslims believe that the majority of verses of the Qur'an were revealed to Muhammad or engraved on his soul by the angel Gabriel in flawless verbal inspiration or dictation.

However the so-called revelations of Muhammad could not have come from the angel Gabriel. God would not send the same angel to Muhammad at Mecca 600 years after the birth and death of his only Son to tell Muhammad that He, God, does not have a son and that His beloved Son was never crucified! Contradictory revelations like these cannot originate from the Father of Jesus Christ. They come from the same source as the Satanic Verses in Sura an-Najm 53:19-23 and the sermons to the jinns (spirits) which we can find in Suras Nuh 71:16 and al-Ahqaf 46:29-30.

Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:22,23

YSIC,
MidnightCry

Very well said and very much true because their is pure evidence that proves the Bible is a reliable and inspired book from our Father God the Almighty Creator of the heavens and the earth. That proof lies within the prophecies being fulfilled and those prophecies that are accurately being fulfilled today. No other book matches such truth.

 

[lollipop2red]

But as most Christian churches now claim the Law was done away with and the Testimony of the OT should be ignored, that could be used against them. Could it be that God was trying to reach the Arab tribes and people, and like Christianity in the early church they went off into what they were used to back to pagan customes and corrupted the truth they were given....

The Mosiac Law was not entirely done away with...only small and specific portions of it were thrown out because a new covenant for mankind was being fulfilled and made known thru the Messiah, whom was revealed to us and appeared in 29CE. Over 600 commandments are still in effect today and serve a purpose, if followed for healthy, happy, safe, meaningful lives. For example, there was no need for sacrifices bulls, rams, sheep's, asses, doves, pigeons, and so forth because Jesus was and is our ultimate ransom and sacrifice for the forgiveness of our sins. But on the other hand, a law giving us provisions and instructions on how to keep safe from germs and disease, and a law or command that explained how consuming blood is prohibited ( whether eaten orally or intravenously) still stands and very beneficial to the health of humans today.

The careful study of these will shed much light on you

 

[lollipop2red]

We know that God has appeared and/or given people understanding and guidance, so is it possible that Mohammad was given light like Moses and other prophets? What are your thoughts?

Specifically, The Nation of Islam or Israel is no longer from God. Sorry.

But that does not mean that each individual including those from Islam doesn't have a chance to be children of God or parts of the secondary seed. They can obtain this by proving themselves faithful to God thru works and individual acts of devotion as does all of us on earth today have the exact same opportunity.

 

[asiyreh]

I seem to remember something about Mohammed being of Ishmael's not Isaac's line as well and therefore he could not qualify as a prophet.

Secondly when he first went into revelation he wasn't sure whether it was demonic possession or revelation from God, big question mark right there.

Walter Veith recons his first wife and monetary sponsor was a Roman Catholic nun or was it the cousin?

His last wife and apparently most favored wife Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her, she was 9 when he, how should I put this, ammm... sealed the deal!

The satanic verses recons his scribe(Mohammed couldn't write) started having a wee joke and changing at first small, then ever increasingly large sections of his dictations to keep himself entertained.

One of many names of Allah is The greatest deceiver of them all.

And I mean it goes on and on. Their revelation sequence is basically the reverse of ours. Their main reason for believing the qu'ran is cause it sounds really good... too good to come from anyone else but God apparently. etc etc...

 

[asiyreh]

Check out this guy Red, he's a Christian street preacher with a video series on Mohammed and the Qu'ran, very knowledgeable as I remember.

Is Allah God? - YouTube

 

[lollipop2red]

Yeah. I watched it. He is so right. It's plain and simple. But in order for others to believe, they first must believe the Bible to be the true inspired Word of God himself as I do.

 

[E.T.Elijah]

Last year I was having some conversation with a muslim on my facebook prayer request page. During the course of our studying I came across this article.

Myth #3 - Allah is the Same as the God of the Bible

It is the 3rd article in a series of 10 about the myths of Islam.

Also, While doing some research into the history of Islam, Mohammed, and "Allah" I came across a book that really went indepth into the real history. I need to find the book as I can't remember the name right now. But Allah is really not based on the Judeo-Christian God. But over time it has been switch to the Ishmael lineage throught propoganda. Trying to show it is God the Father and not really a pagan God that Mohammed worshipped and built Islam around.

 

[E.T.Elijah]

Just found that book.

Ancient Prophecies About Mysticism, Hollywood, and the Music Industry by William Josiah Sutton

 

[DCJazz]

Specifically, The Nation of Islam or Israel is no longer from God. Sorry.

But that does not mean that each individual including those from Islam doesn't have a chance to be children of God or parts of the secondary seed. They can obtain this by proving themselves faithful to God thru works and individual acts of devotion as does all of us on earth today have the exact same opportunity.

Bolded part is mine... and you were starting out so nicely too. Yes, each individual DOES have a chance to become a child of God... no, that cannot be obtained through works or... well, pretty much ANYTHING a human can do cannot save him.

It is not through works that we are saved, but through our faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God, who paid our debt with His own blood on the cross.

To say that we can become children of God by works is blasphemy.

Now unless I'm misunderstanding what it actually means, which has happened before due to my condition, I'd rethink that statement you made.

 

[saved24]

Bolded part is mine... and you were starting out so nicely too. Yes, each individual DOES have a chance to become a child of God... no, that cannot be obtained through works or... well, pretty much ANYTHING a human can do cannot save him.

It is not through works that we are saved, but through our faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God, who paid our debt with His own blood on the cross.

To say that we can become children of God by works is blasphemy.

Now unless I'm misunderstanding what it actually means, which has happened before due to my condition, I'd rethink that statement you made.

Well said DC. Ephesians 2:8

 

[DCJazz]

Well I just wanted to be sure I had it written out correctly. To be honest if we could be saved through works, what would be the point of Christ?

Just saying.

 

[JohnMarsten]

Islam differs in many ways from christianity... different view on creation for example if I am not mistaken...

Mohammed caused a lot of trouble back in the day killing and robbing people...

certainly not what Christ did...

Christ according to islam is not the son of God but just a prophet... with Mohammed being the greatest prophet (if I am not mistaken)

so I highly doubt that this religion is true...