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Is Hell real? What do you think? Use scripture, instead of opinions please.
There are several hundred references to Hell in the Bible, but yet we have a new movement that says Hell is not real, its a myth.
If hell is a myth, then where does Satan and his angels really go?

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There is a movement that says that hell is not real? Now that's a new one! Do they have any membership koolaid? I'll only join if it's red, I hate the green stuff.:sick:

Satan and His Angels are headed toward the same place that Hell goes...into the Lake of Fire. I think that's pretty clear:

Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
 
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This is actually a pretty old heresy
The line basically goes "How could a loving G-d send anyone to an eternity in a firey hell. A place of everlasting punishment.

Answer: "How could anyone be so foolish as to send them selves to a firey hell when G-d made propiation for us? Why not just accept the gift?"

Scriptures:

Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

Job 11:8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?

Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Psa 55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.

Pro 7:27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.

Pro 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Pro 27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Isa 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.


and a bunch more!

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deg said:
There is a movement that says that hell is not real? Now that's a new one! Do they have any membership koolaid? I'll only join if it's red, I hate the green stuff.:sick:

Satan and His Angels are headed toward the same place that Hell goes...into the Lake of Fire. I think that's pretty clear:

Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

YES AND IT IS AN EVERLASTING PUNNISHMENT. MATTHEW 25;46
 
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Is hell real. It is if Jesus was telling us the truth.

Matthew 5:22
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother[ 5:22 Some manuscripts brother without cause] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,[ 5:22 An Aramaic term of contempt] ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Matthew 5:29
If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 18:9
And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

Matthew 23:15
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

Matthew 23:33
"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

Luke 12:5
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.
 
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People are real eager to believe in Heaven. And cant fathom a hell. Yes there is a hell. But it was not made for man. It is a place created for the devil and his angels at the end. But people never die. So each one gets to go live with their Father.. It just depends on which Father you choose to live with. God does not put you into hell, you do it to yourself by the rejection of God's Son.
 
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Trish1947 said:
People are real eager to believe in Heaven. And cant fathom a hell. Yes there is a hell. But it was not made for man. It is a place created for the devil and his angels at the end. But people never die. So each one gets to go live with their Father.. It just depends on which Father you choose to live with. God does not put you into hell, you do it to yourself by the rejection of God's Son.

Trish.. Exactly.. hell was never created for human occupation.. Who shall seperate us from the Love of CHRIST??? WE do... We choose our father..
 
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Is Hell real?

Real enough to burn your whole being into ashes; real enough to cease burning when there is nothing left to consume.

Jude 1
7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Just what does "eternal fire" do to those who burn in it?

2 Peter 2
6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 
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Isaiah 47
14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

Psalm 37
20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
 
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YES AND IT IS AN EVERLASTING PUNNISHMENT. MATTHEW 25;46
Okay, okay...easy now....I love you! I love you with such Love! Oh my God and my Glory! Do you know how much Jesus Loves us? Do you know? You don't. I DON'T. "I know not of which I speak."

Hell is real. But GOD IS REAL! Praise God! Jesus was sent, is sent, is sending, is coming, Praise God, He's Coming! Praise God! Praise the Risen Lord! The Eternal One! Praise Him oh YE HEAVENS Praise Him, all the Earth! Praise the Name of Jesus!

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53:7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

He did not say a word, not a single Word. Oh, who cares about Hell, who could care about such things when there is GOD!??? I don't, nothing matters. His Glory is so bright, so wonderfully full, so much....too much! Too much for us, FAR TOO MUCH! Oh Glory, He is RISEN! Praise God!
 
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flyfishing said:
If hell was just burning people up to ashes why then did CHRIST need to make that sacrifice??? He preached on hell more than any one.. He also said in the parable found in luke 16 the torment the rich person was going through and would go through forever...
Don't be mistaken. "Hell" is real. Yes, Jesus preached about it. He said the punishment would be EVERLASTING (the oft misinterpreted Matt 25:46 - Jesus didn't say "everlasting punishing"). What is the punishment? DEATH (the wages of sin, Rom 6:23).

"Traditionalists read "eternal punishment" as "eternal punishing," but this is not the meaning of the phrase. As Basil Atkinson keenly observes, "When the adjective aionios meaning ‘everlasting’ is used in Greek with nouns of action it has reference to the result of the action, not the process. Thus the phrase ‘everlasting punishment’ is comparable to ‘everlasting redemption’ and ‘everlasting salvation,’ both Scriptural phrases. No one supposes that we are being redeemed or being saved forever. We were redeemed and saved once for all by Christ with eternal results. In the same way the lost will not be passing through a process of punishment for ever but will be punished once and for all with eternal results. On the other hand the noun ‘life’ is not a noun of action, but a noun expressing a state. Thus the life itself is eternal." " (from one of the links below)

Besides, the unsaved are never said to be immortal or to receive immortality. Check out the words "immortal" and "immortality" here: http://bible.gospelcom.net/

Proof enough that hell isn't what many think it is: Jesus is not burning today. If "hell" was a "conscious burning torment throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity," then Jesus did not pay that penalty. If, on the other hand, the wages of sin is death, then Christ's sacrifice and death paid the penalty.

For more serious study on this matter, see:

HELL: ETERNAL TORMENT OR ANNIHILATION?
http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/immortality_resurrection/6.htm

Hell Fire: A Twisted Truth Untangled
http://www.nisbett.com/library/hell_fire-los15.html
 
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In reference to the rich man & Lazarus:
There are two alternatives available to us in interpreting this passage: (1) that this is a literal story and all the details are actual happenings, or (2) that this is a parable, a story devised to teach one main truth, in which details that may not describe actual happenings are only props for the story. The props make the story interesting, but the only truth the Bible is teaching through the parable is the one main theme.

Those who wish to teach eternal torment assume that it is a literal story and not a parable; whereas those who hold to the Biblical picture of the destruction of the wicked believe that it is a parable.

Lets assume that this is a literal story. Therefore, each part of the story must be understood and interpreted literally. Lets notice what happens:

1. The beggar died and was carried to Abrahams bosom (verse 22). If it is literal, then we must assume that all the saints are in Abrahams literal bosom. Of course, that is absurd.

2. The rich man was able to look up out of hell and see Lazarus in Abrahams bosom (verse 23). If it is a literal story, then we must assume that those in heaven and hell can see each other. Naturally, that is preposterous.

3. The rich man and Lazarus are able to communicate in heaven (verse 24). Are we then to assume that the righteous and wicked can even communicate with one another? Who could enjoy heaven, if he had to listen to the complaints of the wicked in hell?

4. Lazarus has a finger and the rich man has a tongue (verse 24). These are organs of a real physical body. Those who believe that the wicked are burning in hell now, say that only the soul is there. The body is buried in the ground. Yet, if this is a literal story, then somehow the body must be taken out of the ground and brought to hell, for here it clearly indicates that they have bodies. Consequently, if it is literal, there is a big contradiction.

5. Lazarus would be able to cool the rich mans tongue with just one dip of his finger in water. It must be very cold water to give much relief! And remember it is not even his whole finger dipped in water, but just the tip of his finger!

Obviously, from just these few examples, it is easy to see that it is virtually impossible to interpret this as an actual occurrence. Rather, it is an analogy, a parable, a story told for the purpose of teaching one main truth. The obvious point of this story is in verse 31: "... if they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead." The decisions made in this life affect our eternal destiny, and there is no changing of our decisions after death. This was the lesson that Jesus was trying to teach. He was not giving a discourse on hell fire. These were only props of a story that Jesus used to teach his one main truth. Even the name Lazarus is symbolic, for Jesus was soon to raise Lazarus from the dead, and the Pharisees still wouldnt believe.

This is not an isolated instance in Scripture where analogy is used to teach one main truth. Notice a couple of other examples that are very obvious:

Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. Isaiah 14:8.

The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us. But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees? Judges 9:8-9.

In both of these instances, the Bible says that the trees were talking. Are we then to assume that the trees talk? No, obviously these are used as analogies to teach a truth. The same is true for the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. In fact, Jesus story of the rich man and Lazarus is very similar to a story told by the Pharisees of Jesus day, with one exception -- the Pharisees had the rich man in Abrahams bosom and the beggar in the other place. Here then is an example of Jesus taking a familiar story of the Pharisees, reversing the characters and driving home His point very clearly through this familiar illustration.

But lets examine the parable of the rich man and Lazarus even closer. So much is assumed about this parable that we must examine it and see what it actually says. Many claim, on the basis of this parable, that the wicked will continually burn in hell-fire, but notice that nowhere in the parable does it mention how long the rich man will be in torment. That is NOT the issue in the parable. It is NOT even mentioned. The truth on HOW LONG the wicked burn must be gathered from other texts of the Bible, such as Malachi 3:1,4.

For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that corneth shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Thus even if the parable were literal, it still does not answer the question as to HOW LONG hell will last.

The other issue is whether or not hell-fire is going on right now. Again, lets notice the parable. Verse 22 states that the beggar died, and then was carried to Abrahams bosom (which is an obvious symbol for heaven). Notice that the parable does not say WHEN the beggar was taken to heaven. Other Bible texts must supply the answer:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. -- Matt. 24:30,31.

Thus the clear testimony of Scripture is that the elect are gathered to Abrahams bosom at the second corning of Christ. Since the parable does not state when the beggar went to Abrahams bosom, we must assume, on the basis of other Scriptures, that it is at the same time that the rest of the saints go to heaven: namely, at the second Advent.

But what about the rich man? Notice verse 22, 23:

the rich man also died, and was buried: and in hell (Hades) he lifts up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Clearly then the rich man died and was buried in the ground, as all men are. The word translated "hell" is the Greek word Hades meaning "grave". It is not the word: Gehenna which is the other word translated "hell" in the Bible, and means "a place of burning". Thus, it does NOT say that the rich man was in a place of burning but IN THE GRAVE. Obviously, it is impossible for this conversation to take place from the grave. No one living at the time, in their wildest imagination would have taken Jesus literally. It would have been easier to assume that there is a place of burning going on right now if Jesus had used the word: Gehenna, but Jesus used Hades, meaning "grave", so no one would take Him literally. Jesus was merely telling a story in order that the Pharisees would get the point -- they were not listening to the truth and no amount of evidence would convince them, even the resurrection of Lazarus from the dead. All these details are merely props to make the story interesting and penetrating to the minds of the Pharisees.

The parable does not teach that the wicked are suffering in hell NOW. If it did, it would contradict not only our sense ofjustice, but also the plainly revealed Word of God. Notice these clear texts:

The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished.II Peter 2:9.

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire: so shall it be in the end of the world.

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:40-42.

The clear testimony of Scripture is that the wicked are RESERVED until the day of Judgment to be punished. And Jesus declares that this day of Judgment, when the wicked are burned up, is the END OF THE WORLD.

Again we see that when understood correctly, the parable is in perfect harmony with the Word of God. And even though it is a parable, and not an actual happening, still Jesus did not contradict Himself or other Bible writers by even mentioning an ever-burning hell or that the wicked are now in a fiery hell. Scripture is always in complete agreement. Remember that an obscure text that could be understood in two different ways, such as the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, must always be interpreted in harmony with other clear texts. We must not build a doctrine that contradicts the rest of the Bible on one or two isolated, obscure texts, especially when they can be understood in such a way that they are in perfect agreement with the whole tenor of Scripture.
 
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That the point you can not kill a soul or spirit. But your flesh can be burn up. Which could be beast, man's number is 666 see solomon writting. So hold on to your seats we already have the mark of the beast OUR FLESH! It is a very interesting study.
DEG. I read Rev. 20-10 and do not see the word angels in it?
As for HELL it is not what you all think it is.
DID JESUS TAKE MAN'S JUDGEMENT OR NOT, IS THE QUESTION.
DO YOU GO TO CHRUCH BECAUSE OF FEAR OR LOVE?
IF THE ANSWER IS NO AND FEAR WE DO NOT SERVE THE SAME JESUS!
 
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