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Is Hell ethical?

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I'm sure there have been many discussions of this topic before, but I'm gonna start it up again because I would like to hear what Christians have to say about it.

Note that this discussion assumes that Christianity and the Bible is the Truth, and that Heaven and Hell exist. This is for argument's sake only.

Assuming this, I believe it is completely and utterly unethical to send someone to Hell for holding non-Christian religious beliefs. This is because I believe all people, generally, have little say in what their religious beliefs are (i.e. it is a product of socialisation), and even once a person has matured to an age where they can 'reason' for themselves, their 'reasoning' and mindset will be hugely conditioned by their upbringing.

It is not ethical to send a Muslim, a Buddhist, an Atheist, indeed any adherent to a non-Christian religion, to Hell for something they had no choice over, and usually don't want any choice over (i.e. once a Muslim boy has become a mature adult, he usually still wants to be a Muslim, not a Christian).

If a Christian finds this determinism a little too set-in-stone, ask yourself: Could you give up Christanity now? Do you have the choice to become a non-Christian?

Obviously there are religious converts etc., but these people are equally at the mercy of their upbrining and past life experiences.

If acceptance of Jesus Christ is required to get into Heaven, then sending people to Hell for not accepting Christ because they happened to be born in a particular part of the world is totally unacceptable. A fair and just God would not do this to his own creations. It is simply too arbitrary.

To summarise, people who do not accept Jesus as Saviour should not be punished by God because one's religious beliefs are usually inculcated without one's consent and then become so ingrained that they cannot - and do not wish to be - changed.
 

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daddypop82 said:
I'm sure there have been many discussions of this topic before, but I'm gonna start it up again because I would like to hear what Christians have to say about it.

Note that this discussion assumes that Christianity and the Bible is the Truth, and that Heaven and Hell exist. This is for argument's sake only.

Assuming this, I believe it is completely and utterly unethical to send someone to Hell for holding non-Christian religious beliefs. This is because I believe all people, generally, have little say in what their religious beliefs are (i.e. it is a product of socialisation), and even once a person has matured to an age where they can 'reason' for themselves, their 'reasoning' and mindset will be hugely conditioned by their upbringing.

It is not ethical to send a Muslim, a Buddhist, an Atheist, indeed any adherent to a non-Christian religion, to Hell for something they had no choice over, and usually don't want any choice over (i.e. once a Muslim boy has become a mature adult, he usually still wants to be a Muslim, not a Christian).

If a Christian finds this determinism a little too set-in-stone, ask yourself: Could you give up Christanity now? Do you have the choice to become a non-Christian?

Obviously there are religious converts etc., but these people are equally at the mercy of their upbrining and past life experiences.

If acceptance of Jesus Christ is required to get into Heaven, then sending people to Hell for not accepting Christ because they happened to be born in a particular part of the world is totally unacceptable. A fair and just God would not do this to his own creations. It is simply too arbitrary.

To summarise, people who do not accept Jesus as Saviour should not be punished by God because one's religious beliefs are usually inculcated without one's consent and then become so ingrained that they cannot - and do not wish to be - changed.

Before asking about God punishing most unbelievers, maybe another question should be asked here.

Do you believe that God has the right to reward a believer and punish any unbeliever?
 
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daddypop82 said:
I'm sure there have been many discussions of this topic before, but I'm gonna start it up again because I would like to hear what Christians have to say about it.

Note that this discussion assumes that Christianity and the Bible is the Truth, and that Heaven and Hell exist. This is for argument's sake only.

Assuming this, I believe it is completely and utterly unethical to send someone to Hell for holding non-Christian religious beliefs. This is because I believe all people, generally, have little say in what their religious beliefs are (i.e. it is a product of socialisation), and even once a person has matured to an age where they can 'reason' for themselves, their 'reasoning' and mindset will be hugely conditioned by their upbringing.

It is not ethical to send a Muslim, a Buddhist, an Atheist, indeed any adherent to a non-Christian religion, to Hell for something they had no choice over, and usually don't want any choice over (i.e. once a Muslim boy has become a mature adult, he usually still wants to be a Muslim, not a Christian).

If a Christian finds this determinism a little too set-in-stone, ask yourself: Could you give up Christanity now? Do you have the choice to become a non-Christian?

Obviously there are religious converts etc., but these people are equally at the mercy of their upbrining and past life experiences.

If acceptance of Jesus Christ is required to get into Heaven, then sending people to Hell for not accepting Christ because they happened to be born in a particular part of the world is totally unacceptable. A fair and just God would not do this to his own creations. It is simply too arbitrary.

To summarise, people who do not accept Jesus as Saviour should not be punished by God because one's religious beliefs are usually inculcated without one's consent and then become so ingrained that they cannot - and do not wish to be - changed.
Of course not. The idea that a loving god would send one of his 'children' to eternal torture for making a mistake is hideous. Such a god would be evil in the extreme.
 
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Issue: God is good and sends people to hell.

1) The OP assumes that the Bible is true.

2) The NT standard of good is God.

Ergo: Everything that God does is good.

But, if sending souls to an unending and incomparably intense suffering (limitless suffering) for limited trespasses is uneven, then it is unfair (by definition of fairness).

Unfair is not good,

Therefore, either the statement "Everything that God does is good" or "God sends people to eternal hell" is true, but not both, and "God is good and sends people to hell" is a necessarily false statement.
 
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I´m not really concerned with the question whether hell is ethical, but rather whether this entire set-up makes any sense.
Someone omnipotent who creates conscious beings in full knowledge that they will not match his standards and expectations to a degree that he will not simply have to abolish them, but keep them alive and consciously suffering in a realm outside his presence and reach, seems to act completely unreasonably.
Let alone that, by human standards, the diagnose would be a severe personality disorder. This guy would need professional help rather than being ethically judged.
 
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Stinker said:
Before asking about God punishing most unbelievers, maybe another question should be asked here.

Do you believe that God has the right to reward a believer and punish any unbeliever?
From what or where would such a right derive?
 
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daddypop82 said:
I'm sure there have been many discussions of this topic before, but I'm gonna start it up again because I would like to hear what Christians have to say about it.

Note that this discussion assumes that Christianity and the Bible is the Truth, and that Heaven and Hell exist. This is for argument's sake only.

Assuming this, I believe it is completely and utterly unethical to send someone to Hell for holding non-Christian religious beliefs. This is because I believe all people, generally, have little say in what their religious beliefs are (i.e. it is a product of socialisation), and even once a person has matured to an age where they can 'reason' for themselves, their 'reasoning' and mindset will be hugely conditioned by their upbringing.

It is not ethical to send a Muslim, a Buddhist, an Atheist, indeed any adherent to a non-Christian religion, to Hell for something they had no choice over, and usually don't want any choice over (i.e. once a Muslim boy has become a mature adult, he usually still wants to be a Muslim, not a Christian).

If a Christian finds this determinism a little too set-in-stone, ask yourself: Could you give up Christanity now? Do you have the choice to become a non-Christian?

Obviously there are religious converts etc., but these people are equally at the mercy of their upbrining and past life experiences.

If acceptance of Jesus Christ is required to get into Heaven, then sending people to Hell for not accepting Christ because they happened to be born in a particular part of the world is totally unacceptable. A fair and just God would not do this to his own creations. It is simply too arbitrary.

To summarise, people who do not accept Jesus as Saviour should not be punished by God because one's religious beliefs are usually inculcated without one's consent and then become so ingrained that they cannot - and do not wish to be - changed.

I just skimmed this here, I think the general quistion you are asking is "is it right for God to sent someone to hell for not being a Christain?"

and my reply is that I can't answer for God, but I think alot of people's ideas of hell is unethical as they often take what they look like and send the rest of humanity to Hell. Jesus gave us a gift and he askes us to just tkae it, we don't have to be anything or do anything to get it, heck we don't even need to be a "christain" to get it, we just have to know Jesus Christ and let him guide us out of the pits of Hell.

as for Hell being ethical in general I think it is very ethical. Hell was made to punish the evils of the world, lets take suicide bombers for instance k? How do you proporly punish someone who was gonna choose to die anyways?? You make him live in a place of extreme misery and agony, AKA: Hell
 
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quatona said:
I´m not really concerned with the question whether hell is ethical, but rather whether this entire set-up makes any sense.
Someone omnipotent who creates conscious beings in full knowledge that they will not match his standards and expectations to a degree that he will not simply have to abolish them, but keep them alive and consciously suffering in a realm outside his presence and reach, seems to act completely unreasonably.
Let alone that, by human standards, the diagnose would be a severe personality disorder. This guy would need professional help rather than being ethically judged.

Oh, but quatona, human standards are not God's standards. :doh:
 
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Personally, I don't believe that hell as a place of eternal punishment for all non-Christians would be ethical at all... Despite what many Christians say, no one deserves eternal punishment.
 
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Dear daddypop82, God, the Omnipotent One, made order out of disorder, He also created Man in His image. Man believed a lying Serpent, rather than listen to God`s loving advice. Man (Adam) was banned to Earth, and instead of repenting, Adam and all his offspring, moved further and further away from God. In time Jesus came, God-Son, part of God, and told us how God really is, and how He wants us back with Him again. Jesus Christ told us to REPENT, exchange our selfish and unloving nature, for a loving selflessly and caring one. Jesus promised to help and guide us, and has kept His promise to many, many men and women. Jesus also told us, those of us who do NOT want to return to God, will automatically choose a place in outer darkness, WITHOUT God`s Love or Light. Hellfire and brimstone are reserved for Satan`s followers, where God will end their evil existence for ever. The Bible will explain it more thorough, daddypop, I am only pointing out that we use words like ethical and unethical, and Jesus paid for our transgressions, which God`s Holy Law demanded. I call that a loving and incomparable Sacrifice, and I say this with humility and love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.
 
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We are products of the world around us. Brought up to believe what we have been taught. To punish someone for their upbringing and insight is wrong. For God to send someone to Hell because they never had the chance to accept Christ is unethical.
God created us all, we all have free will, but to what extent. We are what others have made us. I agree that Hell is unethical because no loving God would condemn his creations to eternal torment for never having the oppurtunity or mind set for accepting Christ. It would be punishing someone for an aspect of their life they cannot control.
 
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