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Is H an unbeliever, despite claiming to know Christ?

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Brief (well, okay it's not) history of my world:

I met H prior to being saved. I am 9 years older and have children from a prior marriage. He was charming, funny and goofy when we met, and my kids loved him. I didn't drink, and neither did he (turns out it was a dry period, that didn't last). We married far too quickly - only 7 months after meeting. I came to Christ in early 2007. H already professed to being Christian, but didn't attend church, read Bible, etc.

We have been married now less than two years. I'll just give a quick run-through of some of the problems through that short period of time: ongoing pornography use and lying to cover it (got rid of internet, he got dvd's I later found); alcoholism; property damage - he destroyed my computer (burned when I recorded his porn use and confronted him), my living room, kicked in my front door, and numerous other small damages to home I purchased prior to marriage; herpes - he claimed he didn't have sex outside of relationship and dr said it could have been contracted earlier with no symptoms but after the last year of finding lie after lie I just don't know if I believe that; LIES - about drinking, about porn, about whereabouts, about job loss, about money, about past history of infidelity in 1st marriage (all the while downing me because I admitted to mine), about being kicked out of military, about drug use; repeatedly left home over weekends and holidays on binge drunks; enlisted his relative's aid in removing both vehicles from our home (while he was drunk no less) so I would have no vehicle during his sprees; verbally abusive to me; using profanity toward my children; when trying to stay sober would be completely withdrawn and angry; very little sex and when there was it was focused entirely upon his needs; didn't pay bills, my home was nearly foreclosed; repeatedly removed his wedding ring when away from home whenever we were fighting. The list could go on, but I'm making my own eyes glaze over.

On to the present - he lost his job in January, then laid around the house playing video games and didn't even attempt to look for work. I was making enough money only to buy groceries and was consistently (read, daily) telling him I needed help or we were going to lose our home. He still did nothing. I, of course, nagged and complained - I was scared.

At the end of February, he moved out of our home and went to stay with his mother - he couldn't take the arguing he said. The very next week he went to Florida to visit his sister and exchanged email & phone info with a woman down there. He has since been emailing & chatting with her - although he claims to be just friends he has acknowledged that he violated a rule that HE wanted in our marriage, namely that we would have no friends of the opposite sex outside of the marriage (meaning unless they were friends of both of us).

We went to 1 session of marriage counseling, during which he threw his ring at me and stormed out.

He has remained unemployed until just this week (assuming he actually went to his job - I haven't had contact with him since Monday.) On Saturday we signed legal separation papers - I didn't feel I had grounds to file for divorce (not for sure anyway) and I need to protect my children and my property. I handed him $500 in cash from the tax refund. Saturday night he went out drinking and ended up in jail for public intoxication & disorderly conduct. His mother actually came to me on Sunday to ask for money to bail him out! I said no.

We spoke on Monday, and he made a statement that he thought we could work things out. Bear in mind, he has made no changes in his life. He is not seeking treatment, counseling, God, or anything except his own wisdom (which imho is quite limited - look where it's gotten him thus far). He is living his life as a single person - making decisions based only upon himself and for himself. I told him that short of God's intervention this marriage is unsalvageable. He got angry and asked "what do you want from me," (ummm . . . how bout making that fake guy I met turn into a real boy). I stated quite bluntly that there is nothing that I want from him. My children & I were well-off financially & emotionally before we met him and we have been dragged through the wringer. We are working on our relationship with our Lord and on rebuilding our home. Fine, he said, you won't hear from me again. (hang-up)

Pause . . . catching my breath (rest your eyes, the strain must be intense by now)

I guess my question is - have I been left by an unbeliever?

I told my pastor that I had to ask forgiveness from God because I questioned my husband's salvation and I felt like I was judging him. My pastor stated that although we are not to judge others, we are called to be fruit inspectors.

My H states that he believes in Jesus, but there has never been an iota of fruit during the time I've known him. He attended church about 7 times in the past 2 years, never read his Bible, we prayed together only 2 times (another sore point for me) and he lives in constant ongoing sin with no sign of repentance or regret.

Whew - I'm finished. Sorry this is so incredibly long (and hackneyed and boring - if this were a creative writing course I'd get an "F" for originality).

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My goodness..( oh and I read it all btw :) ).

I am really sorry that you are going thru this. It's such a sad thing when someone changes who they are and we are like.."hey I didnt sign up for this"
I would say if he isnt a believer then yes he departed. I like to really think about this becuase I am in messed up marriage.
I ask myself what a marriage is. What does Gods word says it is? Christ loved the church. He never abused the church or lied to the church. He didnt cheat on the church or view naked women inplace of the church. This is our example of a marriage. That is why God commands husbands to love their wives like Christ loved the church. It is the perfect example of what a Christian marriage should be. I really believe that any deviation of that is in a sense a leaving of the marriage.
Even if he is saved, a person who is doing wrong sinful things is should not be in fellowship with other believers unless they have repented of the sins and are working to make changes...
True repentance is change..and I believe it can be seen if one is truely repentant.
I would honestly probably just wait a bit and see what move he makes. You sound like a very smart women who really knows whats going on. I believe you will know what the right thing to do is even if it is hard.

God bless you. I really hope you do what you need to to take care of yourself and your children. God will sort out the rest for you.
 
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Dayknee, thanks for your response. I am sorry that you are having difficulties in your marriage also. :hug: I will pray for you and your family.

You commented that I sound like a smart woman. And in most matters, I'm fairly intelligent. However, in my personal relationships I am stupid beyond belief. :swoon:

The signs were there - I chose to ignore them. He was living with his father and not working, for crying out loud. (That's a BIG hint something is wrong if someone is beyond their twenties. It doesn't take a whole lot of money for a single person to have their own space, least not in this neck of the woods.)

Of course, nobody came right out and said to me "Hey, did you know that he cheated on his first wife, has had a problem with alcohol for years, was hooked on drugs, and is completely and totally self-centered and probably mentally ill?" That might have given me pause (then again, maybe not - we excuse almost anything from someone's past because they'll be DIFFERENT with US :doh:)

IMO it ought to be required that, before we get involved, we are all required to talk to former girlfriends/boyfriends and former spouses and listen to what they have to say about their history with our intended. You will likely never hear anything bad about your intended from his family - they, like us, are thinking that this time will be different.

In that vein, does anybody think I should tell some of this to the woman with whom he has started the email/chat thing? Her only up-close and personal experiences with him, prior to starting this connection in March, have been at a time when he was presenting himself as a responsible and solid person while dealing with the aftermath of his brother-in-law's death in January. He was exercising authority and leadership (dealing with the military, gathering financial docs, comforting his mother & sisters, etc.) in a way he has NEVER done at home. :confused: Should she be given the opportunity to learn the truth before finding out through bitter experience?
 
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My opinion is - good riddance.

Make sure he stays gone - and out of your life.

With respect to contacting the other woman - ehhhh - my experience has been (through hearing similar types of situations from other people) that trying to warn others always falls upon deaf ears. People want to hear what they want to hear...people want to believe what they want to believe...and everyone wants to believe they're "the special one" that will bring the goodness out of someone.

Your attempt to warn her will do nothing but get you riled up - and keep you embroiled in his nonsense to some degree or another. She won't listen to you...really. He will tell her the litany of reasons why he wasn't good/faithful to you - and how it's actually all your fault. He will tell her why she's different - and why he will be true and faithful to her. She'll probably lap it up - and it does nothing but demonize and frustrate you.

So no - I wouldn't even bother going there. File for the divorce - and be done with it.
 
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Although I would be tempted (out of spite) to let her know that he has herpes :)
Exactly. Although I believe she has a right to know and I can justify telling her for her own protection (aren't I considerate :holy: ), I must admit I would also get a big jolt of spiteful satisfaction at ripping off his mask. Whether she believes me or not.
 
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Go over Corinthians, and make a list of what Paul said 'Love" is.

Then go down and honestly mark every trait of heavenly love you've seen your b/f exhibit.

You will have your answer.
Excellent point.
 
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