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Is God in a sense a democratic dissolution of collective identity?

Gottservant

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Hi there,

I just wanted to thrash out this idea that I've had, that God is somehow a democratic dissolution of collective identity. Allow me to explain. Typically we see God as a person, a special kind of person, but fundamentally a person and we attribute all kinds of attributes to Him - which is fair enough. But I wonder if this is perhaps a mistake. I wonder if perhaps God is more of an ideal, than a person.

Consider this: God is the Creation of Jesus, as Jesus said in Revelation "I was there in the beginning of the Creation of God" which clearly implies He has a vantage on the nature of what created God, which being the One of whom it is claimed everything is created, is clearly a claim about authorship over the concept of God. It is still mysterious, but fundamentally He is saying "I know what it takes to create God". But who is the Son? The Son is someone without a physical seed of a Man, by which He could call Man "Father" except by faith. He is in a sense - without that faith - a nothing, a no one.

So a no one, created an all powerful God, via the Holy Spirit, who is said to be "in us", yet think about that what does it mean for someone to be in everyone, but that they are sort of a mad schism of personalities, able to relate to everyone as if where He is is irrelevant. So a no one, via a schism of personalities created a God, who - completing this series - is in a sense a vacuum of voice, as the scripture says a Word. A living word, yes, but fundamentally, a noise. A no one, via a schism of personalities created a noise - what's that? That could be anything! And hence we say "God created the Universe" or "That noise - which could be anything - is probably responsible".

But is this such a bad thing? I don't think so. I think there is something fundamental about this ideal, I think it speaks of the fact that God has a quality about Him that makes Him accessible to anyone. He is in a sense, that part of all of us which is most democratic, our voice, our "noise". He - the trinity of complex identities - is basically the most undeniable part of all of us, united in a person that cannot but speak as though every one of us was more important to Him than Himself. We are to Him "gods" as the scripture says. He reveres us, we are written on "His hands", He cannot get away from His desire for us, we drive Him mad with the love of us. And being completely out of his mind, He dissolves our false tensions, our fakery, our lying selves, into His Godness, His vacuous noise.

It is in a sense the Peace every one of us would admit we want most of all, if we could only be honest with ourselves (long enough to forget how much we lie to ourselves, that it would be better if we lived forever without a reason).

I don't know if I'm being a bit harsh in my assessment, but sometimes a bare bones approach is what's needed to hit on what really matters.:pray:
 
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Christians do not believe God is created.

Yes they do, its in Revelation. "I was there at the beginning of the Creation of God" it says it quite clearly. In the first few chapters or so.

That line does not, I believe, occur anywhere in the Christian Bible.

You would rather imagine that all things "forever were" in God? How then does God say "I will not always strive with Man"? Is it because He suddenly has a change of mind?

And that comment borders on the blasphemous.

You are presuming to know the manner in which I respect it, nowhere did I give the impression that I had contempt for God because of this admittedly shallow interpretation (some interpretations are pointedly shallow, there is nothing that can be done about that - that does not change my respect for God).
 
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Yes they do, its in Revelation. "I was there at the beginning of the Creation of God" it says it quite clearly. In the first few chapters or so.

I think that reflects a combined misremembering and misinterpretation of Revelation 3:14.

The Holman Christian Standard Bible renders the Greek of that verse better than most other translations: "Write to the angel of the church in Laodicea: 'The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Originator of God’s creation says: ...' "

"God’s creation" here means, of course, "creation belonging to God," so that the passage is consistent with e.g. John 1. Also, no translation I've ever seen has the words "I was there." Revelation 3:14 is certainly not teaching that God is created -- that would be utterly incompatible with Christian doctrine (as reflected in e.g. the Nicene Creed).
 
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Hi there,

I just wanted to thrash out this idea that I've had, that God is somehow a democratic dissolution of collective identity. ...
Perhaps so. Perhaps as we awaken to the light and progress in our journey to the light, do we not become that light ourselves? We become God, God becomes revealed in us.
 
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