Is God in a box?`

[liesje]

I want to challenge people here to think a wee bit about the things they're arguing. There are so many threads which come on here challenging Christianity and mainting that God does not exist.

May I suggest that the reason you do not believe in God is not because of all these 'logical conundrums' and 'impossibilities', but because you are arguing about a God who is smaller than your mind?

Look around you. Look at creation, look at the universe. When you can make something like that then you can come and tell me that God is smaller than your mind and you don't believe in him. The reason you cannot make sense of God is because you are trying to put an infinite God into a finite mind. You are trying to use logic to argue against the very power that gave you the ability to use logic.

Until you realise that God is bigger than your mind...way way WAY bigger...people are just going to keep coming back and saying "Thus and so doesn't make sense, therefore God doesn't exist." It is impossible for us to make sense of God because our minds are tiny and his is indescribably HUGE!

 

[daniel777]

good point. . . . . and this is actually the reason why i'm not a theologian. LOL. :/ i'm not saying that all theologians try to unnecessarily box God in. don't take me out of context.

 

[HarborOrange]

Yeah, you've got a seriously good point. It's hard to really, well, define G-d. I mean, he's Omnipresent, Omniscient, and Omnipotent. I mean, we really can't describe him, or put him in a set of boundaries or confines. I mean, even if Atheists are right, (which, I'm certain they are not.) well, then we have an intensely complex amount of emotions that deal with the thought that their is some sort of deity out there. So, even if G-d does not exist, (which, I know he does exist.) there's a strange type of mindset within just about ever human being that there is a God, and we can't put that sort of mindset into a box either.

Hopefully, that all made sense, at least generally. I had to take care of 80+ chickens today, I'm so brain dead and wiped out...

 

[solarwave]

Good point, and God is also bigger than the various beliefs in our denominations too

 

[Unfit'for'swine]

I agree

 

[liesje]

Good point, and God is also bigger than the various beliefs in our denominations too

Amen

 

[shalalalalala36]

Amen!
I try not to question the world too much because God has his own reasons for creating it the way it is. We will never understand God, all we need to do is to believe in him.
The power of God is way beyond human logic.

 

[Colin]

I want to challenge people here to think a wee bit about the things they're arguing. There are so many threads which come on here challenging Christianity and mainting that God does not exist.

May I suggest that the reason you do not believe in God is not because of all these 'logical conundrums' and 'impossibilities', but because you are arguing about a God who is smaller than your mind?

Look around you. Look at creation, look at the universe. When you can make something like that then you can come and tell me that God is smaller than your mind and you don't believe in him. The reason you cannot make sense of God is because you are trying to put an infinite God into a finite mind. You are trying to use logic to argue against the very power that gave you the ability to use logic.

Until you realise that God is bigger than your mind...way way WAY bigger...people are just going to keep coming back and saying "Thus and so doesn't make sense, therefore God doesn't exist." It is impossible for us to make sense of God because our minds are tiny and his is indescribably HUGE!

GREAT !!!
Let's hear more .

 

[DaveInVain]

I agree 100% percent. But if you are trying to prove god exists by saying that, then you have no way of knowing. You are only doing half the job by proving your point, you haven't successfully disproved the other argument.

 

[liesje]

I agree 100% percent. But if you are trying to prove god exists by saying that, then you have no way of knowing. You are only doing half the job by proving your point, you haven't successfully disproved the other argument.

You're right. I'm not trying to prove God by saying that - you can't "prove" God's existence in the way you want it proved. But I believe that he exists, and that's not without foundation. What I'm saying is, until people realise that God is bigger than their understanding, there is not point in getting into arguments about his existence, because it won't change anything and it just gets people irritated with each other.

 

[PeculiarGuy]

Good point, but that would go no where in an argument.

 

[liesje]

Good point, but that would go no where in an argument.

Quite so, but the point of the point is to encourage people to avoid arguments, seeing as they are bound to go nowhere from the beginning.

It is futile and results only in irritation and insult.

 

[Daretothink]

I want to challenge people here to think a wee bit about the things they're arguing. There are so many threads which come on here challenging Christianity and mainting that God does not exist.

As a person responsible for most of those thread, I have to say that it is good for me to do so because it not only challenges your beliefs but mine too and makes us grow.

May I suggest that the reason you do not believe in God is not because of all these 'logical conundrums' and 'impossibilities', but because you are arguing about a God who is smaller than your mind?

Suggest away.

Look around you. Look at creation, look at the universe.

I do and do it often and it only strengthens my belief in evolution/earth formation, where you see the majesty of God I see the result of natural processes beginning with the Big Bang expansion.

When you can make something like that then you can come and tell me that God is smaller than your mind and you don't believe in him.

That's assuming that your god a) exists, b) is a creator god, c) wants anything to do with humanity,etc...you are assuming a lot in making such a statement without giving any kind of proof that this universe is beyond any naturalistic possibility.

The reason you cannot make sense of God is because you are trying to put an infinite God into a finite mind. You are trying to use logic to argue against the very power that gave you the ability to use logic.

I can make sense of God, it is God who cannot make sense of himself really. I can explain further if necessary.

Plus what do you expect I should use to find God-a personal experience, I've had none and the human is very suggestible in terms of the will to believe. Faith-well I need some kind of reliable basis for "faith" and Christianity has given me none, if the Bible were true and possible than faith could be built but it isn't, every testable claim that the Bible makes is refuted constantly, the great flood, creation of man from dirt, etc. and when a metaphysical question makes testable claims it enters the area of science.

Until you realise that God is bigger than your mind...way way WAY bigger...people are just going to keep coming back and saying "Thus and so doesn't make sense, therefore God doesn't exist." It is impossible for us to make sense of God because our minds are tiny and his is indescribably HUGE!

Until you provide evidence other than "the universe is so big god has to exist" you have no basis for a point. Even as a point of thought and not argument this is stupid, your point in this is "Maybe you can't believe in god because he is such a big concept" that is like me saying "maybe you don;t believe in evolution because you are not able to understand the concept and all it's evidence". The difference being that I don;t believe in god out of a lack out evidence but you don't believe in evolution because it conflicts with the Bible.

 

[solarwave]

Daretothink: Do you think it is possible there could be a God?

 

[Daretothink]

Daretothink: Do you think it is possible there could be a God?

Yes I do. You see no one is actually a full out atheist. Everyone is an agnostic atheist. Since we cannot know if a God exists we cannot say he does't, we can only say we don't know, this is the position of an agnostic, an atheist just takes it further saying I don't know if there is a god but I have a disbelief in such a thing.

Just to clarify though I think that a God or Gods if they exist would have to explain several things first if I were to believe in him.

 

[DMMullinax]

Just to clarify though I think that a God or Gods if they exist would have to explain several things first if I were to believe in him.

Well, you may never get those explanations. Faith comes in at some point. All the theories, questions, disprovals, ect. end eventually; then a choice has to be made based on faith; faith that there is a god, or that there isn't. Your choice. A lot of us here do care about you though, and are just trying to give you the full assurance of life in Christ Jesus.

 

[solarwave]

Like the person above me says; some questions may never be answered, but the way the evidence points should be followed.

Even though it may be that no one is fully atheist there are people who are more so than others. For example Dawkins seems to hate the idea of God, so I suppose Im asking how hope you are to it.

 

[liesje]

nvm. back later...

 

[Takk]

WOW, great!!

 

[Unfit'for'swine]

Just to clarify though I think that a God or Gods if they exist would have to explain several things first if I were to believe in him.

and your so important that they/he would? Sometimes you just need to accept the inevitable, one day your going to meet God, you'd better be on the rock and not the sinking sand.

Yes I do. You see no one is actually a full out atheist. Everyone is an agnostic atheist. Since we cannot know if a God exists we cannot say he does't, we can only say we don't know, this is the position of an agnostic, an atheist just takes it further saying I don't know if there is a god but I have a disbelief in such a thing.

So your actually searching for God? it would make sense as to why you keep haunting the Christian forums