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mesue said:One has to understand Doctrine before one can forsake it.
Theology and tradition are man's conception.
I'm not trying to get her to leave her church. Why are you trying to make her stay?SwampFox86 said:I never said she couldnt go to the church down the street. Not once. I am not saying she is stuck with anything, Do NOT put words in my mouth. Where did I say "you must quit your job and attend your churches sunday service to be a real christian"
I never said it, dont put words in my mouth. If you want to prove me wrong, do it by proving me wrong, not by claiming I said something I didnt and proving it wrong. Logical Fallacy anyone?
She never said anything about wanting to leave the church, why are you trying to get her to leave her church?
What if she has no extra money? What if her offering is the widow's mite? And she has to earn that mite by working on a Sunday? You don't think Jesus would honor that?we need to love it enough to give up a little bit of extra money for it.
SwampFox86 said:Its not legalism or Heresy. I said 4 am to prove the point that as a church you have a pastor who is in charge, and what he says goes.
And you didnt actually say I am for the nullifying of the Gospel, but you are getting very close. Corporate Worship should be at a specific time, its not saying that you have to have your personal time with the Lord at 4 AM or when your Pastor says to, but when he says Corporate Worship as a body will be at a certain time, its at that certain time.
Theology, literally is the study of the gods.SwampFox86 said:Theology is the study of God, and God ordained Tradition.
"Do this in remembrance of Me". Sounds like something Jesus Said, and since Jesus is God, he has ordained tradition. Also, the Bible tells us to follow tradition.
mesue said:I'm not trying to get her to leave her church. Why are you trying to make her stay?
Another church is a viable option. If her heart's desire wasn't to worship the Lord, I don't think she would have bothered to ask. Where is your empathy? Can you not see her struggle? Do you know her personally that you know her financial situation? For all you know she could be a single/divorced parent with 4 children to feed earning minimum wage. How can you tell her
What if she has no extra money? What if her offering is the widow's mite? And she has to earn that mite by working on a Sunday? You don't think Jesus would honor that?
When you say that if her pastor says to be there by 4AM she should be there; componded with your insistance that we're somehow idol worshipers for woking on Sunday instead of being in church implies that you feel this woman should stay at her current church. Did you say so in those excact words? No, you didn't need to.
mesue said:Theology, literally is the study of the gods.
Where does grace fall under tradition?
So, then, are you saying she, or anyone else is putting work before Christ?SwampFox86 said:No, you are wrong, for you to claim I said something I needed to have said it in those exact words. Otherwise you are making up lies about me.
And I never said you or anyone else was an idol worshipper because they worked on Sunday, I said someone is an Idol worshipper for putting work over the meeting of believers.
Dont tell me I imply anything. Either I said it or I didnt.
I'm not telling her to stay at this church or leave the church, just that Church needs to be more important than work.
mesue said:So, then, are you saying she, or anyone else is putting work before Christ?
I didn't say you said grace was over tradition. I asked you a question; where does grace fall under tradition?SwampFox86 said:Again, you assume I am saying thigns I am not. I bet that if you read waht I posted and realized that I say waht I say, and nothing more, you wouldnt be in such disagreement with me.
I never said Grace was a tradition. But I will say this, should we not worry about anything because grace covers all?
mesue said:I didn't say you said grace was over tradition. I asked you a question; where does grace fall under tradition?
I have read what you posted and am still in disagreement with you.
You're right. But no one, except you, implied this. I don't think she's putting work over church. I think she's struggling with this. Some of us, myself included, come from very ritualistic backgrounds. Perhaps a legaistic, well meaning, person told her she's out of God's will and in sin for not being in church on Sunday. Like saying someone's sick because they're out of God's will. These staements aren't necessarily true. Some people have to work on Sunday. Some people are sick so that God is glorified. There is no sin involved in either case.SwampFox86 said:If she, or anyone else myself included, puts work over church, than they are putting work before Christ.
mesue said:You're right. But no one, except you, implied this. I don't think she's putting work over church. I think she's struggling with this. Some of us, myself included, come from very ritualistic backgrounds. Perhaps a legaistic, well meaning, person told her she's out of God's will and in sin for not being in church on Sunday. Like saying someone's sick because they're out of God's will. These staements aren't necessarily true. Some people have to work on Sunday. Some people are sick so that God is glorified. There is no sin involved in either case.
Yes.SwampFox86 said:Grace isnt part of Tradition.
My major point is that Work is not more important than church. Are you in disagreement with that?
mesue said:Yes.
Work is not more important than Jesus.
I worked on Sundays for many years and was at peace about it. Why, because it didn't stop me from fellowshiping with my brethren. It didn't stop me from reading my Bible. It didn't stop me from worshiping my Savior. Where 2 or more are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst. I don't need a building for that. I do need my Jesus and my brethren.
there's never a need to sugar coat anything but consider this the words you sew will be the ones you get back.SwampFox86 said:See, when you just look at what I say, and will read it for what it is, Im not some legalistic jerk, I am jsut not going to sugarcoat anything.
KJV said:Proverbs 15:1 A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.
KJV said:Proverbs 25:11 A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.
KJV said:Leviticus 19:32 Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I am
KJV said:the LORD.
KJV said:
Pro 16:31 The hoary head is a crown of glory, if it be found in the way of righteousness.
KJV said:Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
And how does one keep a roof over their head and the family fed if they're not working? Where does the money come in to support the church? How do we send missionaries with out money?SwampFox86 said:...
and Noone HAS to work on Sunday. Noone has to work at all. Not trying to start another debate, just pointing out that noone has to work, And I'm not advocating anyone quit their job either.
mesue said:I didn't say that. I said work was not as important as Jesus.
mesue said:And how does one keep a roof over their head and the family fed if they're not working? Where does the money come in to support the church? How do we send missionaries with out money?
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