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Is Genesis Literal?

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Is Genesis Literal?


You often hear claims from Christians who support evolution or an old earth position proclaim that Genesis is nothing more than an allegory.

In the following I will present another way of demonstrating that Genesis is meant to be taken as a literal historical witness.

So what about Genesis? Is it strictly an allegory? Some parts may have a allegorical or prophetic meaning such as Gen 3:15, but, is Genesis strictly allegorical with no literal historical representation as claimed by the old earth or theistic evolutionary Christians? Is just the early primeval historical parts of Genesis (chapters 1-11) considered as allegorical and the latter Patriarchal portions of Genesis (chapter 12-50) considered as literal and historical?

Parables and allegory are a part of the bible, but it should also be pointed out that parables presented in the bible drew reference from and point out every day occurances or situations that have actually and do occur.
I do believe that Genesis does contain some allegorical references, but just as in the rest of the bible it draws upon the literal.

When one reads the bible it often lets us know if what it is talking about is an allegory or parable. For example in Ezekiel and Matthew we read where this is the case:

EZE 17:2 "Son of man, set forth an allegory and tell the house of Israel a parable.
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MAT 13:3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed.


The question needs to be asked, if Genesis is an allegory or a parable does it say it is? If not, does it say anything at all about what Genesis is? Does it say that Genesis is not a parable?

Lets look at the accounts found with in Genesis and its literal aspects;

GEN 2:4 This is the - account - of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens--

Notice Genesis mentions that the story presented is an - account - of what happened. It should be noted that Moses (or who ever the author was) did not call Genesis a parable, myth, fable or allegory,

The word - account - used in Genesis 2:4 and the following verses is TOLDAH (Strongs 8435) and has a figurative reference to history.

So to continue with the "account" concept, lets look at:

GEN 25:12 This is the - account - of Abraham's son Ishmael, whom Sarah's maidservant, Hagar the Egyptian, bore to Abraham.

The same word and sentence structure is used to describe the situation in both Genesis 25:12 and Genesis 2:4. Considering that, why is it Abraham is looked upon as a real life, factual, historical person, YET the creation account is considered as allegory by some Christians? Both stories are presented in the same fashion using the same word.

So, speaking of Abraham...who is considered as a literal person, why then is he associated with a so-called fictitious, allegorical person such as Noah in the book of Hebrews?

HEB 11:7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
HEB 11:8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.


Just the association of Noah with Abraham in the book of Hebrews should establish Noah as literal person. There is still further support for a literal Noah .

Noah, and lets not forget Adam, is considered as an allegorical character by the old earth and theistic evolutionary christians. One can continue with the same line of reasoning. When we look at Genesis 6:9 the record of Noah is found once again using the same sentence structure, This is the account of. When presenting the record of Adam once again we find Genesis presenting an - account - of what happened. The simple conclusion, If Abraham is literal, then logic reasons that Noah is literal, along with Adam and the creation account.


GEN 5:1 This is the written - account - of Adam's line. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.

GEN 6:9 This is the - account - of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God.


Genesis presents the creation story, Adam, Noah and Abraham as an account, or a historical narrative of record and events. If Moses when writing Genesis was presenting a parable then why use the term - account - for the creation story? If it truly is a parable, then why not call it a parable?

In Genesis we find more that the 4 accounts presented above. In actuality there are 11 occurances where This is the account of is used to explain the history, genealogy of certain individuals along with other people in their society.

One can easily ask the question, beginning with the 11th historical account in Genesis 37:2 and working backwards to Adams account, where do the people mentioned turn from the literal to the figurative?

These accounts are each presented as a part of a series that built upon each other to tell a completed story. Considering that each account builds upon the proceeding account, one can easily draw the conclusion that if the latter accounts are literal, then so should all of the previous accounts be considered as literal.
 

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Ark Guy said:
Is Genesis Literal?


You often hear claims from Christians who support evolution or an old earth position proclaim that Genesis is nothing more than an allegory.
Strawman start. That all of Genesis is an allegory is not the claim. The claim is that Adam and Eve in Genesis 2 are allegorical. That is, they stand as representatives of each and every one of us.

I have never seen Genesis 1 claimed as allegorical. I have seen it discussed as symbolic, as a simplified version of creation suitable for the very young children that people of that time were in relation to the physical universe, or as a retrodiction of the creation of Israel to the beginning and a statement for monotheism, but never as allegory.

So, Ark Guy, you set up a strawman here and then knock it down. Congratulations! It means nothing because you have not addressed the real issues presented by non-literalists.

GEN 2:4 This is the - account - of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens--


Interesting translation you picked. For instance, what you translated as "when" is the word "beyom" in Hebrew. It means "in the day". Within a single day. That "when" does not cover the 6 days of Genesis 1. It is a much shorter time period. Yet you tried to cover that up. Why? Because the real translation shows the contradiction between Genesis 2 and Genesis 1. One of the real hints that neither creation store is literal.

Notice Genesis mentions that the story presented is an - account - of what happened. It should be noted that Moses (or who ever the author was) did not call Genesis a parable, myth, fable or allegory,

So, speaking of Abraham...who is considered as a literal person, why then is he associated with a so-called fictitious, allegorical person such as Noah in the book of Hebrews?

HEB 11:7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
HEB 11:8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.


Just the association of Noah with Abraham in the book of Hebrews should establish Noah as literal person. There is still further support for a literal Noah .
If you look at the passage, what is being compared? The historicity? NO! His faith. Now, neither has to be historical to demonstrate the point of faith. Because the images of the story are part of the culture. Just like to say "My friend John faces the same situation faced by Romeo, his family and hers were like the Capulets and Montagus." Does Romeo and Juliet have to be real people? Of course not. But the story is so well known that we can understand what John has to go thru because the fictional character went thru it.

So, what is the previous verse in Hebrews? "No one can please God without faith, for whoever comes to God must have faith that God exists and rewards those who seek him."

Now we get illustrations of this in Biblical stories. But not all the characters have to be historical in order for the theological point to be true.
 
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The only thing that i question is the time span. as heaven is supposed to have no measure of time, perhaps it took longer than seven days. after all, we come up with the systems used to measure time. Perhaps what he considered to be a day was truly 10,000 years. Just a hypothetical, i haven't yet formed my own true opinion of this yet.
 
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serendipity79 said:
The only thing that i question is the time span. as heaven is supposed to have no measure of time, perhaps it took longer than seven days. after all, we come up with the systems used to measure time. Perhaps what he considered to be a day was truly 10,000 years. Just a hypothetical, i haven't yet formed my own true opinion of this yet.
The sequence of events is off, too. And only gets worse if you use an extended time span.
 
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Strawman start. That all of Genesis is an allegory is not the claim. The claim is that Adam and Eve in Genesis 2 are allegorical. That is, they stand as representatives of each and every one of us.

..ah, show me where this is taught in scripture...you see I showed you where scriptures teaches they were literal people created from the dust and Adams side.....so, it's your turn, either put up or shut up...it's that simple.
 
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Well, that is just silly. You can't point to a factual statement in an allegory to prove it is not allegory.

I am not convinced that it is allegory by a long shot, but your point makes no sense, Ark Guy, and you are getting ruder (and less Christ-like in your posting) by the day (if that is possible).

If it was true the Adam and Eve story was allegorical, then the verses inside it would be allegorical as well, including the dust language.

This whole "put up or shut up" attitude is very hypocritical of you since you dodge or ignore most of the points be made against your position, hand-picking the few which you think you may be able to argue.
 
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Are you saying that real people can not be compared to allegorical "types"?

Sure they can, especially if God wants to make the comparison for us to read and learn from. The physical writer may even believe the comparison is between two literal humans, but that is of no consequence since the vessels God chose to write through did not need to fully understand all they were writing (how could they when they were writing for God?).

While I think it most likely that there was a literal Adam, an non-literal Adam would have no negative effect on my complete Faith in God and His Word and the message of His Gospel in the least little bit.
 
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When you read a history book of America, you don't find George Washington presented along side of Paul Bunyan.

The bible present these genesis charcter a actual literal people....that much is very very obvious, but to support your evo/old earth models you are required to change the natural reading of the bible and allegorize every thing that doesn't agree with mans interpretation of modern science. That I consider biblically dangerous.
 
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Well, I am living, breathing proof that you are entirely wrong, since I believe in both an old earth and evolution as the explanation of most, if not all, of the diversity of life on this planet and yet I do not find it necessary at all to read the story of Genesis as allegory. It fits fine as a primarily literal (but necessarily incomplete) record. It definitely has some symbolic language, or some poetic phrasing, but I believe it is, indeed, a true non-allegorical account of what happened.
 
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"Strawman start. That all of Genesis is an allegory is not the claim. The claim is that Adam and Eve in Genesis 2 are allegorical. That is, they stand as representatives of each and every one of us."

lucaspa, this is an easy claim to falisy and to show that genesis 2 is not alagorical at all. Simply look at the NT. Paul several times specifically refers to adam in relation to Christ. Christ is a literal person, thus adam is as well since it is a direct comparsion. This is just one of many reasons.
 
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Well, again, I believe in a literal Adam, but this argument will not hold up. There is absolutely nothing wrong with comparing a living person with a allegorical "type" if the meaning behind the point is clear.

And, yes, I would agree that it is very often difficult to know what is allegorical and what is not. What is symbolic and what is literal. If it were easy to do this with Scripture, then we would not have hundreds of denominations out there teaching different doctrine. My view is to assume a non-literal reading until the evidence is sufficient to consider that it might be allegorical. There is definitely not always something in the text which makes it clear.

In fact, those elements which *would* lead one to consider a possible allegory (poetic language, broad concepts, stylistic elements, etc) all exist in the first account of the Creation.

But here is one to consider for those who insist on non-allegorical readings: what is your thought (or that of your church) of Song of Solomon? There is absolutely nothing in the text which would indicate that this is some type of allegory of Christ and his Bride the Church. Nothing at all to tip off the reader that this should NOT be read literally. And the irony is that I have found that those who pound the desk loudest for a non-allegorical reading of Genesis almost always read Song of Solomon as an allegory. Very inconsistent application of this concept.
 
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