Is evolution racist?

[Bonhoffer]

Many creationists attack evolution as racist.
This is largely to do with the eugenics movement that was spawned from it and the fact that Hitler strongly used evolutionary ideas in his racial ideology.
Charles Darwin is also known to have racist veiws.

 

[The Lady Kate]

Charles Darwin is also known to have racist veiws.

Not to start a debate or anything (I know I'm not exactly welcome here), but who in the mid-18th century didn't have racist views (at least by modern standards)?

 

[Bonhoffer]

Not to start a debate or anything (I know I'm not exactly welcome here), but who in the mid-18th century didn't have racist views (at least by modern standards)?

you mean mid-19th century?

William Wilberforce
John Wesley (18th century)
Elizabeth Candy Stanton
Lord William Murrary (18th century)
Bishop Pertieus
Benjamin Franklin

and if you go back nearly 2,000 years you can include Paul of Tausus

 

[Bonhoffer]

Origin of the Species had an alternative name:

The Natural Selection of Favoured Races

 

[The Lady Kate]

you mean mid-19th century?

William Wilberforce
John Wesley (18th century)
Elizabeth Candy Stanton
Lord William Murrary (18th century)
Bishop Pertieus
Benjamin Franklin

and if you go back nearly 2,000 years you can include Paul of Tausus

Short List.

 

[The Lady Kate]

Origin of the Species had an alternative name:

The Natural Selection of Favoured Races

You mean its full name: The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection : The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life?

You think the term "races" refers to black, white, hispanic, asian, etc...?

I'd love to discuss this further, but there's no debate allowed in here. Perhaps if you reposted the question in one of the more open forums...

 

[vossler]

Without a doubt it is!

 

[KerrMetric]

So is our faith if your criteria are so shallow.

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

One Blood: The biblical answer to racism is a good book that you can read free online that deals with racism from a creationists point of view.

 

[shernren]

Go on, make evolution your scapegoat for all the sin we see in humanity. In the 1st century AD the Jews were extremely racist towards Gentiles (can you imagine a white today praying "Lord, I thank You that I was not born a black or a woman"?) and did this come from evolution? No, it came from ... God's Law to them! - Or rather, their misreading of it.

Just because the Bible can be misread to produce racism doesn't mean it's evil. Just because evolution can be misunderstood to produce racism doesn't mean it's evil either. It's all man's fault for bringing out the worst in anything he touches.

 

[Maxster211]

Hitler, and his advisors, who believed and worked a lot with evolution, said that the reason certain races are stronger or more 'elite' while others are inferior in strength, or at least have more potential in phisical and mental power was because some were evolved from dirtier or weaker cells and others cleaner and stronger. That itself is racist, but it's only one opinion, which had to do with not only skin, but hair, eyes, and so on. That's why he started breading his 'ultimate army' from people with blond hair and blue eyes and so on. I would say that belief in evolution is racist. Same thing says that woman were created from the weaker part of the cell, so that there is sexist too.

 

[john crawford]

Many creationists attack evolution as racist.
This is largely to do with the eugenics movement that was spawned from it and the fact that Hitler strongly used evolutionary ideas in his racial ideology.
Charles Darwin is also known to have racist veiws.

Any theory which postulates that primitive African people originated from common ancestors of monkeys and apes and then later evolved into modern Africans and Eurasians is theoretically racist in content and application, especially when it emphatically denies our modern human origins from Neanderthal ancestors who may have been related to, and descended from, Noah, Adam and Eve.

 

[mark kennedy]

Now while people with other views are welcome on here this is a forum for creationists. I'm not going to move the thread just yet, even though I probably should. Just a word to the wise that there will be no unwelcome or uninvited debate here.

To be sure racism is a major issue both in the theory of evolution and Christian theology, it should be discussed. Still, I won't let this forum turn into a clearing house for arguements against creationism. If I get the sense that this is what is happening this will be in the Origins common forum in a heartbeat.

Notice this is not a MOD HAT warning, I don't think that is nessacary at this point. I just want any Theistic Evolutionists to realize that they are the guests in here. Now, back to the regularly scheduled discussion.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[john crawford]

Now while people with other views are welcome on here this is a forum for creationists. I'm not going to move the thread just yet, even though I probably should. Just a word to the wise that there will be no unwelcome or uninvited debate here.

To be sure racism is a major issue both in the theory of evolution and Christian theology, it should be discussed. Still, I won't let this forum turn into a clearing house for arguements against creationism. If I get the sense that this is what is happening this will be in the Origins common forum in a heartbeat.

Grace and peace,
Mark

Grace and peace, Mark: Since this is a creationist forum and the topic in on evolutionist racism, why don't we just ignore posts which change the topic in an attempt to lure unsuspecting creationists into unwarranted debate on a different topic with that poster? This topic is too vital to be wasted on anti-creationists in the common forum simply because of some anti-creationist attempts to switch topics by posting racial and theological distractions.

Keep up the good work. My hat's off to you since your mod task is difficult and remains largely unappreciated.

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

evolution can be used to justify racism. using the logic below
there're more evolved humans and less evolved humans. by wiping off less evolved human, the superiors can avoid the loss of the superior genes by breeding with the inferior.

superiors/inferiors don't limit to skin color. one can even claim there're more scientists of London origin than of Glasgow origin and declare people from Glasgow inferior.

 

[The Lady Kate]

evolution can be used to justify racism. using the logic below
there're more evolved humans and less evolved humans. by wiping off less evolved human, the superiors can avoid the loss of the superior genes by breeding with the inferior.

I'm certainly not here to debate... having read Mark's announcment, and knowing that I am a guest in this forum, but I do wish to agree with this much: beliefs that have spawned from evolutionary theory have been used to justify some pretty heinous actions.

But that's not what the OP was about... The OP asked about evolution itself, and not what it has been used and misused to justify.

superiors/inferiors don't limit to skin color.

Also agreed. Religious doctrine, for example, has also caused its share of atrocities. But nobody here is claiming that religion is inherently racist... is there?

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

If a religion can really be used to justify atrocity, then that religion is problematic. like the Islam theology hold by bin Ladan.

One can't use Christianity to justifiy anti-semitism without twisting the theology. if he twist it, that's his own theology not Christian theology

 

[The Lady Kate]

If a religion can really be used to justify atrocity, then that religion is problematic. like the Islam theology hold by bin Ladan.

One can't use Christianity to justifiy anti-semitism without twisting the theology. if he twist it, that's his own theology not Christian theology

But "the Islam theology held by Bin Laden" is as much a twisted theology as the Christian theology held by the KKK. Those who are not familiar with what is actually said won't be able to tell the real thing from the twisted version.

 

[john crawford]

evolution can be used to justify racism. using the logic below
there're more evolved humans and less evolved humans. by wiping off less evolved human, the superiors can avoid the loss of the superior genes by breeding with the inferior.

Modern Darwinist theories of human evolution are inherently racist because they are based on the unfounded assumption that the ancestors of African people were less-evolved and inferior to modern people, and racially declare them extinct 'species' of humans which couldn't adapt to the African environment.

In addition to those racist views, modern Darwinist theorists now proclaim that the few African people who did manage to genetically mutate and evolve into African H. sapiens in accordance with the laws of "natural selection," marched out of Africa and replaced all the former inhabitants of Eurasia by further mutating and evolving into the racial groups which are there now.

superiors/inferiors don't limit to skin color. one can even claim there're more scientists of London origin than of Glasgow origin and declare people from Glasgow inferior.

Worse yet, the theistic evolutionists in London might harbor delusions of their religious superiority to the Christian creation scientists of Glasgow and start discriminating against them in their public schools.

 

[john crawford]

I'm certainly not here to debate... having read Mark's announcment, and knowing that I am a guest in this forum, but I do wish to agree with this much: beliefs that have spawned from evolutionary theory have been used to justify some pretty heinous actions.

But that's not what the OP was about... The OP asked about evolution itself, and not what it has been used and misused to justify.

Let's keep our posts to what the OP is about then and not what evolution "has been used and misused to justify."

Also agreed. Religious doctrine, for example, has also caused its share of atrocities. But nobody here is claiming that religion is inherently racist... is there?

This thread is about the inherent racism in Darwinist theories of human evolution. We can discuss both the racial and religious aspects inherent in Darwinist philosophy if you like.