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Is evolution a fact or theory?

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I was puzzled why you did not understand Wise's explanation, so I revisited his video lecture, and found this that may help explain some of your statements:

"we have we have evidence here of five humongous surges of water five humongous I mean depositing hundreds of feet of sediment crossing the entire continent of North America depositing sediment of that and that magnitude across the continent.

Wise was not referring to every square inch of the continent on each surge, even though it may have sounded that way. He was not using his own data, but Sloss's, as he continually referred to. He also said this, which explains the previous statement:

"The Sauk mega sequence is very thick in the Eastern United States; it's very thick on the western United States; it's very thin halfway in between in the Mid Continent. So we have a sequence of rocks very thick on the coasts and thins to the center of the continent."

That surge, and the others, covered the coastal and interior low-lying areas first, while the high ground, such as what came to be known as the "dinosaur peninsula", were covered last, possibly in a later surge. The sediment deposition maps tend to bear out that interpretation.

To many, Kurt Wise may sound like he knows what he is talking about. But to the other 99% of geologists, including myself, few would actually take such concepts seriously.

He knows exactly what he is talking about on both the transcontinental layering and the fossil record, which he explains on another video. I admit the concept is a little difficult to understand from a 90 minute lecture, and probably more so if one has a gradualism mindset. It made no sense to me the first few times I watched it, but eventually it began to fall into place.


Where did Wise say he would denounce the evidence? This is from his own mouth, and recently:

"As I shared with my professors years ago when I was in college, if all the evidence in the universe turned against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate."

Kurt P Wise, geology (In Six Days) - creation.com

Some creationist criticize him for being too "lenient" to evolutionists.

Wise, like all scientists, makes assumptions:

"Dr Wise believes that most of us have been trained to be biased towards thinking in an evolutionary way, which unfortunately is not along the lines of God's thinking. So he encourages his students to look at their starting assumptions, and to think about whether those assumptions are correct, or whether there are other options they need to consider."

But your statement about evidence also applies to many evolutionists, according to Wise:

"For evolutionists, he says, one of these is the conventional evolutionary assumption that all living things are descended from a common ancestor. Such beliefs are non-negotiable for the evolutionist. 'I would say that if you investigated any scientists in any field you would find issues they assume at the beginning that are unchangeable for them.'"

Kurt Wise, Steve Austin, and those on the same page will eventually turn the geology world view upside down. Count on it.

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What is real about the slow fossilization?

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That is an excellent point. Some biblical scholars warn Christians not to hitch their wagons to any scientific theory, because no one knows what the next theory will bring.

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I see absolutely no reason why the universe in one form or another always existed as well.

I know of one possible reason why it did not always exist:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -- Gen 1:1 KJV

"But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh." -- Mar 10:6-8 KJV

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There is a difference between discussion of quantum theory and quantum mechanics, and talking about simple geology.

There is a difference between simple geology, or the study of rocks as they exist, and historical geology, which is and will always be theoretical.

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But, do you know if the Indian plate contacted the Asian plate at a speed of 3 cm/yr or at 10 cm/s? That is theory, not reality.

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In short, even though we dont have time machines, we dont need time machines because everything is pretty well spelled out for us.

If everything was "spelled out" in geology and paleontology, there would be no competing theories.

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And its not about naturalism. Its about reality. And Christians like you and I, shouldnt have to part ways with reality in order to have faith in our Lord. But indeed, this is what you have done.

Christians didn't part ways with reality. It was evolutionists who parted ways with Christians.

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Someone posted this picture in another thread.

5000 tracks from over 294 species of dinosaur.

Now, according to Kurt Wise, these megasequences were all laid down from giant waves, 5 in particular, that traveled across north america.

Correction: the ways traveled over parts of North America, according the research and maps provided by Sloss.

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If you thought that, you are deeply confused. Nothing in creationism is of any scientific interest, and there's very little in it that's likely to pique my curiosity at this point.

Very well.

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So, the concepts of evolutionary geology are cut in stone?

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And remember, this is a global flood that is depositing thousands of feet of sediment with water that at some point or another, rises above mountains and even deposits mountains of sediment.

That is correct, except to remind everyone that the flood did not happen all at once, nor did it drop its sediment all at once.

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For example, in Bolivia, if you look at a geologic map, you have sequences spanning majority of the column. Indicating that the area was flooded during prior events of the flood and during prior waves.

That is an assumption.

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That is an assumption.

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What is an assumption?

Massive megasequences are found superpositionally below mesozoic strata in Bolivia. Therefore, massive waves already passed through bolivia prior to the mesozoic.

Not only that, but Paleozoic mega sequences are found at the highest elevations in Bolivia, which superpositionally pre date the mesozoic.

Do you disagree with this?

Or are you suggesting that Paleozoic strata in Bolivia wasn't deposited by the flood?

But of course it was.

Or are you suggesting that Paleozoic strata in Bolivia isn't actually Paleozoic strata, even though Kurt wise would disagree, as he has already openly described is support for our understanding of the geologic column?
 
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That is correct, except to remind everyone that the flood did not happen all at once, nor did it drop its sediment all at once.

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According to Kurt wise, there were 5 to 6 mega waves that deposited the geologic column. Just want to make that clear. So, one wave for example, for each megasequence. So if one wave happened to deposit say, all mesozoic strata, then everything within mesozoic strata was deposited in a single giant wave event. Hypothetically.
 
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Well dinosaur tracks and features of life, are found everywhere. In both low elevation areas and high elevation areas.

So this whole idea about an island where thousands of dinosaurs all ran together and Huddle's is just rediculous.

Not only that, but you're missing the point that many of these features, such as the dinosaur dance floor" are in fact in the middle of a megasequence. As are many fossil tracks, and nests and tunnel networks etc.

You can't say "oh the dinosaurs just ran to higher ground" also because many features, such as burrow networks, tunnels and nests, can't run.

They're are found throughout the mesozoic, indicating that they were allegedly deposited by a giant wave. But of course a dinosaur nests couldnt be deposited by a giant wave, nor would dinosaurs create nests while under water. The same goes for burrow networks and tunnels.
 
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Stephen, I didn't have time to properly respond to this earlier today, but are you saying you didn't bother to read and respond to Dr. Nathaniel Jeanson's challenge to the doctrine of Biologos that dismisses the inerrancy of the Word of God, and his critique of the research of one your Biologos' colleagues, Dennis Venema?

One should not flippantly dismiss the comments of their betters.

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What I am suggesting is you have no reasonable alternative to the flood model.

But I am always willing to learn. Perhaps you will explain how the Bolivian strata was deposited, and how the associated landmarks were created?

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What I am suggesting is you have no reasonable alternative to the flood model.

But I am always willing to learn. Perhaps you will explain how the Bolivian strata was deposited, and how the associated landmarks were created?

Dan

This isn't a response. You're trying to change the subject.

Can you answer my question please?

What did I assume in my post?
 
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Regarding my post above,

You continue to avoid responding to people on this forum. It demonstrates that you don't know what you're talking about, both in geology and biology.

We have multiple posts now in this thread that you have avoided responding to.
 
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