MoreInSorrow
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NFSteelers said:
But talking about death suddenly makes a song 'not Christian'?.........
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NFSteelers said:I don't think they are a Christian band, because I have heard that their music is about death... however I do know that they met during some sort of Christian event so they are all Christians.
For the record, I like their music a lotMoreInSorrow said:I don't need them, I know about the band well enough, and have probably heard the same things you have. It just intrigues me that unless you know her personally, and have spent time with her on a daily basis and really gotten to KNOW her, that you could make that assumption. Seems suspect, but also typical, to me.
Not typical of you, btw, because I don't know you personally, but typical of Christianity in general that thinks they can read an article, or see an interview, and suddenly have this great epiphany of who a person is or isn't.
kermit the toad said:They are not a Christian band. Amy Lee is Christian, but the band does not play "Chrisitan" music, per se.
God.is.my.force said:nO BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME SONGS LIKE THE TORUNIQUET THAT ARE (OR SEEM TO BE) AND THEY ALSO BE SOME SONGS WITH 12 STONES
MoreInSorrow said:But talking about death suddenly makes a song 'not Christian'?.........
NFSteelers said:and from the concert I went to, I can tell they are not Christian by the other bands they had on the tour.
LondonsBurning said:Going on tour with secular artists invalidates you as a Christian band?
Whatever happened to reaching the lost?
NFSteelers said:but a Christian band more than likely would not want to be on the same stage as these bands.
MoreInSorrow said:I have read some of the most typically close-minded statements ever in this thread. This one included.
philN said:The only way to judge whether or not something is christian is who it is marketed towards
MoreInSorrow said:I have read your posts about secular music. I'll just use what you've said in THIS thread:
"but a Christian band would more than likely not want to be on the same stage as these bands."
Wha? And you know this how?
"and from the concert I went to, I can tell they are not Christian by the other bands they had on the tour."
REEAAAAALLLLY. Does that make POD 'not Christian' for playing with the bands THEY play with? Does that make YOU a non-Christian, since you were at an obviously secular show?
"their songs are inspired by suicide. That's not very Christian."
And again I'll ask, do you know the heart of the person writing those songs, to know what the real meaning is behind them? I've heard the album as well, I don't hear anything that points to suicide. Is it wrong to write songs about pain, and not have the answers? Apparently so.
So yeah, you don't think they're a Christian band.......I agree. But blanket generalities are sooooo common among Christianity that it's disgusting, and in my eyes, some of the statements you've made are exactly that.....generalizing. I'm not trying to argue over the salvation of a band in the secular market. It's not my job, and frankly, I'm not concerned with it. But generalizing for the sake of it being what's comfortable to do is wrong, since no one can assume to know the artist, their heart, where they're coming from, or where they've been. Don't put a band or person in a pre-supposed bubble just because it's what's convenient for you to do.
NFSteelers said:We are all imperfect. None of us are free of a sinful life. God is about love, peace and joy. But where in the Bible does it say we cannot listen to secular music? It doesn't. Where in the Bible does it say we cannot listen to people talk about sinful things? It doesn't. There is a difference between doing something sinful and listening to something where people talk about sinful lives. How many of you out there have an accountability partner? If you do, you hear them talk all the time about lusting, doing drugs, having sex, among other things. Does this too mean that we are sinning by the standards you are setting? Because you cannot say one is OK while the other isn't. That is picking and choosing. You are ultimately deciding what you want to consider evil because the Bible doesn't specifically define what evil is, many of our morals are how we decide what is evil and what is not. You see secular music as evil, where I do not. I might see abortion is evil, where someone else may not. Does this mean that these things are evil in the eyes of God? No, we are making assumptions of what are evil, and by saying these things are evil by God's standards without using a Biblical basis, is saying we know how God thinks, and that is just not true....we can never make the claim that we know how God thinks.
In the Bible it talks about how lusting is a sin, how adultery is a sin, idoltry is a sin, not honoring your mother and father is a sin, God outlines our sins in the Bible. Where in the Bible does it say secular music is a sin? Where does it say having a secular job is a sin? Or doing anything else that is secular? You see secular music as sinful? That is great, that is your prerogative, but don't try and force it upon others because it is not Biblically factual. You are not God, I am not God. Live your life how you think it will be best spent, and I will do the same with mine.
Many singers out on the market today are Christians, or believe in some high power. How can we accurately say these people's songs are not inspired by God? Because they don't mention God's word? Because they don't mention the word God? Many people write songs and sing songs to release the pain they are feeling inside. You can come back with the argument that God can heal their pain. This is true, but people need an outward way of releasing pain. When I am in pain or mad, I write or draw and listen to mainly secular music... I find this soothing and relaxing. This is the same for singers. Again, without knowing how God thinks, we cannot say whether or not the music is inspired by God, unless we are that person doing the song writing. We don't know how God thinks.
Secular music is not just about lusting, drugs, alcohol and violence, many are about inspiration and thinking better about yourself. Many are also metaphors, which might include drugs or violence, but it not be about that at all, and as I said before a lot can be how they release their pain and anger.
Another point I want to make is that we are on Christian Forums.com. A web site dedicated to creating a Christian refuge for Christians and non-Christians alike. Going into the music section of this web site there is a secular music section. If secular music was considered a sin do you think Erwin would allow such a thing? Do you see a forum about best pornographic magazines? No, because THAT would be considered a sin through lusting. And so it is ridiculous to make the claim that listening to secular music is a sin if a CHRISTIAN web site and forum promotes it.
Finally, instead of "warning" those that you see as sinners through listening to the music, you should look within yourself and warn yourself about the sins YOU are committing, because you are not free of sin. Go on with your life and point out the sins in yourself instead of wasting your time on a secular music forum pointing out the so called sins you are making upon us. You are not free to judge us on your frivolous secular music is sin claim without Biblical proof.
ladyerica said:I'm confused...some people say they are a Christian band and some people say that Evanescence straight out said that they don't sing Christian songs. Does anyone know for sure?
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