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OK, it seems a little overly simplistic, but I'll accept that statement. Birds that fly are currently the fittest creatures for most ecological niches that require large flyers.
But then I have to ask, what point that statement serves. It does exactly nothing to support Creationism, and is no better at supporting evolution. Neither does it weaken either argument. If that is the statement you wanted to arrive at when you issued me the challenge, then why bother issuing the challenge?
I simply said in a post that birds are best at the job of flying. I didn't make any challenge.
Another one steps in. Perhaps YOU can give an example then of a better aerodynamic life form, one better than birds which fly? Just one that is better than birds will do, which will make birds not the best. How about something better than an Eagle with its good vision, speed, agility and can soar on thermals to save energy.
That looks like a convincing start to the transition, but lots of changes to go yet. Is the next transition available for view?
So once deceived, in your opinion was Archaeopteryx a bird or not? And why or why not?
It definitely has both bird and dinosaur features. It seems to be a rather good example of a transitional species to me.
But you have no evidence that they did evolve. All you have is similarity. Similarity does not mean evolution from a dinosaur to a bird. It could mean that but is not enough to know for sure.
Those more qualified to answer that are still trying to decide. It seems that it was in then out then in and now out or vice versa. The new findings I believe have it back in but deny that it was a precursor for birds. It seems to me that having some of the features of a bird appears to support that, however, if we look at other such cases we find many times it is independent evolution or horizontal transfer. Since the jury is still out, I think I will take a wait and see stance on it.
But you have no evidence that they did evolve. All you have is similarity. Similarity does not mean evolution from a dinosaur to a bird. It could mean that but is not enough to know for sure.
Um ... just as a reminder of my OP:
I somehow don't think Lynch v. Donnelly qualifies here.
I simply said in a post that birds are best at the job of flying. I didn't make any challenge. That was done by another person who questioned 'BEST'. We've spent days over this ridiculous question lol. I think I need to start ignoring a certain person who asks too many irrelevant questions. What do you think 'lasthero'?
Source, please.Yes that is true, however, the new discoveries of two dino fossils challenge bird evolution from the Theropods since they pre-date those.
Source, please.ght now, we have feathered dino's that pre-date the ones that were said to have been the ones that birds evolved from.
Source, please.
Source, please.
I think it qualifies as toilet paper. There is a huge difference between man's law and God's law. The supreme court is an example of man's attempt at law and man's failure. This shows us the need for God and the need to live according to God's law.[serious];64267559 said:You think a major supreme court case doesn't qualify as debate?
I think it qualifies as toilet paper. There is a huge difference between man's law and God's law. The supreme court is an example of man's attempt at law and man's failure. This shows us the need for God and the need to live according to God's law.
I think it qualifies as toilet paper. There is a huge difference between man's law and God's law. The supreme court is an example of man's attempt at law and man's failure. This shows us the need for God and the need to live according to God's law.
Look at the second link
I did look at the second link but there are no transitional fossils there. It shows the lung of a dinosaur and bird, and the way the femur is used in birds to support the lung, not in dinosaurs. It also goes on about some soft tissue found in fossils, mainly a t-rex, but this is likely to be just slime.
What do you consider to be a transitional fossil?
The same as anyone else, so as I said before, no need to go there and waste time.
I did look at the second link but there are no transitional fossils there. It shows the lung of a dinosaur and bird, and the way the femur is used in birds to support the lung, not in dinosaurs. It also goes on about some soft tissue found in fossils, mainly a t-rex, but this is likely to be just slime.
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