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Is Christian Music becoming less Christian?

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Okay, first of all I want to make it clear. I listen to Christian Rock, I love Christian Rock, I am not here to bash.

But.

I have noticed that some people label a band a "Christian band" even though they have no lyrics that would indicate such, and sometimes lyrics that would say otherwise.

I mean, I have no problem with secular music in itself. I will listen to any music that does not offend me be it secular or Christian.

But I am wondering why these bands that are singing about secular things, are called Christian bands?
 
i don't like calling them christian bands either... im personally abject to labeling christian music as such most the time... band's like mae... who outrightly used the words, god, jesus, and christ... mean as much to me as like, a band such as a perfect circle, who uses god, jesus, and christ too... much in the same context... and i'm all for certain it's for personal reflection, their growth, their changes... so, we kinda can't use lyrics as an accurate representation on what defines a christian band most the time...

and then you have the bands that sing about secular things... but, every song relating to earth can give glory to god without directly referencing him... perfect example? five iron frenzy... some of the songs are just absolute nonsense (hilarious, but nonsense)... but where i lay the blame, currently, is a little label called TOOTH AND NAIL... right now, they kinda are the point which messes up the division between christian bands and bands that are christian (but not "christian bands")...

so, i don't think christian music is becoming less christian, i think that it's finally separating... between the christians in a band, and christian bands... and both have alot of things in common, mostly because of their similar experiance... which is WHY we're having this conversation... christians have alot of the same experiences growing up, and therefore translates it into their themes in what they write about...
 
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Well I don't know what bands u're talking about and I don't excatly know what u mean when say "secular things", but I think it good [not just "ok" but good] that Christian bands sing about life things: trouble, failures, love, struggles, faith, challenges, hope, togetherness. The Bible itself talks about all kinds of things and all different areas of life [including failing]. No doubt the overall focus is on God & our relationship with Him, but still... there are a lot of things that can either get in our way or lead us closer to Him, thus we need to acknowledge them and their effect on our lives.

Seems to be common sense to me, but then again maybe I'm missing what u're actually trying to address.
 
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Christian bands sing about life things: trouble, failures, love, struggles, faith, challenges, hope, togetherness.

I can see where you're coming from.

But

"Secular" bands sing about those things as well.

I think what the OP was trying to say (and please correct me if I'm wrong), is that some CCM bands are trying to become more wordly--more like their secular counterparts in appearance and attitude. I think a good example of this is ZoeGirl having backup dancers on the stage.
 
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TheDandyMan said:
I can see where you're coming from.

But

"Secular" bands sing about those things as well.

I think what the OP was trying to say (and please correct me if I'm wrong), is that some CCM bands are trying to become more wordly--more like their secular counterparts in appearance and attitude. I think a good example of this is ZoeGirl having backup dancers on the stage.
Not necessarily.

Just that sometimes it is hard to tell why some bands are considered Christian when they write nothing about Christianity, God, faith, or Life in Christ.

I can enjoy these bands, I just don't know why they are "Christian bands".
 
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LondonsBurning said:
"Christian" Rock is simply Rock music that is marketed to Christians.

The lyrics have nothing to do with it. A band can curse like Pedro the Lion, but still be a Christian band.
absolutely...

which reminds me...

i remember one time at cornerstone the juliana theory was playing and one of the guys from there cursed about energizer batteries... and subsequently were never asked back...

i giggle...
 
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Colabomb said:
Not necessarily.

Just that sometimes it is hard to tell why some bands are considered Christian when they write nothing about Christianity, God, faith, or Life in Christ.

I can enjoy these bands, I just don't know why they are "Christian bands".
I agree too. I too listen to a lot of the "Christian bands." I just wonder how they are so other than they are marketed as such. I Listen to secular music so that's why I listen to it anyway. i don't know. :doh:
 
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evesummernight said:
i remember one time at cornerstone the juliana theory was playing and one of the guys from there cursed about energizer batteries... and subsequently were never asked back...
Yes, I know they're on tooth&nail and play at Cornerstone, but the Juliana Theory does not claim to be a "Christian" band.
 
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evesummernight said:
absolutely...

which reminds me...

i remember one time at cornerstone the juliana theory was playing and one of the guys from there cursed about energizer batteries... and subsequently were never asked back...

i giggle...

Cstone is awesome I love them! :kiss: ...so much!

The funniest part about that post, was the end: "i giggle...".

TheDandyMan said:
Yes, I know they're on tooth&nail and play at Cornerstone, but the Juliana Theory does not claim to be a "Christian" band.

This is very true. Thus I wouldn't expected too much from em.

xpunkskaterx said:
no. the secular people are becoming like christians ;)

I like that point of view. Postive thinking is good.
 
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Colabomb said:
Not necessarily.

Just that sometimes it is hard to tell why some bands are considered Christian when they write nothing about Christianity, God, faith, or Life in Christ.

I can enjoy these bands, I just don't know why they are "Christian bands".

Hah. I knew I was forgetting to mention something! Right. I understand that point of view, that's always been something that has slightly annoyed me, when it seems like certian cds are just about that artist, their music, or just a bunch of love songs, that always seemed a bit annoying to me.
But then I realized just like everything else in life, you have to search for & listen for the deeper meaning and purpose of the song. It's about finding the beauty within simple things. Sometimes, which there is none, but alot of times it's there but merely doesn't appear in face vaule.

Examples: most John Reuben's songs talk about MCs or hip-hop, but seems like not as many talk about God. However, as I listened to em I realized things he was talking about doesn't just apply to the way his song refers to it. When he's like calling out the MCs for being fake ...that's an all too common Christian problem too. When he talks about not selling out to becoming like everybody else, that's also a common Christian struggle.

Another Example: I my bro has the Copeland cd and when we lived close together [some months back] we use to listen to it as we traveled together and whatnot, but I never got into it too much cuz basically it sounded like a cd of love songs to me [not really my thing]. However, finding myself searching for some good Emo music to listen to recently, I decided to check them out on purevolume.com, then as I listened to those 3 songs they had on there. The significance of how that's very much our relationship with God and not just merely other ppl, really hit me as I listened to the songs over again.

I think Christian bands write about the Christian life, and about what they know & what they've experienced. I think in a way that's like they're giving their testimony and also trying to relate to other ppl who might have felt the same. I believe that is a service to God in itself, to help build up fellow Christian believers and encourage them in their walk.

I guess the importain thing to me has been, if you're not sure about a Christian band check em out. Do your research [in a sense]. Read their bio and what they have to say their about, read their lyrics, check em out in concerts, and if you get the chance talk to em. Find out if they're the kind of ppl who live what they believe and if they're the kind of ppl you want as an influence in your life.

That's what I personally do before I take up claim to liking any band. Guess it's a bit harsh, but music isn't a greater love for me than God is so if I have to sacrifice some "good sounding music" for some true quality good music ...I don't mind.
Anyways, point being...
I know plenty of tried and true good Christian bands out there, and I cheer for them like crazy. I know there's also plenty of medicore Christian bands out there, but I hope as they continue on their journey that they'll find Christ more important than their music and that they'll also find they strength to speak up about it as well as live it out [even off stage] as many of the older [wiser] Christian bands have done [and are doing].

Enjoy,
 
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Colabomb said:
I don't think it is bad that people make a career out of it. They need to eat too.
I don't believe that anyone was say that it was wrong. What is wrong is to "use" God to make money. It is the motive behind the $$$. If one is singing/recording the music with the thought "I wonder how much I can make here because Christians will like this music", then there is a problem-a big problem. However, if the money one makes comes from a humble heart that is using the music to minister, and, as a result, one makes money, the there is nothing wrong in my opinion.

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