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A mad dog behaves according to his nature, just as a good dog does. Yet they both choose.
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A mad dog behaves according to his nature, just as a good dog does. Yet they both choose.According to the implications of total depravity and unconditional grace how does anyone have a choice?
If God is the one who chooses, you can count on it that he will keep those he chose. I do not of myself have the integrity nor strength of will nor sincerity of emotion nor direction of purpose, even after regeneration, to continue to merit salvation. God has no plan BNo, we cannot earn salvation but we can lose it by not being obedient to God.
He said that watching Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit. Then made the comment about how can he refuse even dirty nasty pig eating Gentiles baptism as God showed him the Gentiles can be saved too.So Peter said God does not show partiality. God is not a respecter of men. So you see we have a contradiction here.
God either chooses us based on some action we do or He chooses based upon His will and purpose. The Bible supports the latter.No I completely understand that all have this fallen state which they have been created in by God. Man has absolutely no choice about his sinful nature. Who’s fault is it that man has this fallen nature to begin with? Adam’s? God’s?
He has a choice. The reason it doesn't look like he does is because he always chooses against God.According to the implications of total depravity and unconditional grace how does anyone have a choice?
The answer is in verses 23-26. Paul actually finishes the thought.That doesn’t answer my question. How did God endure with much patience the vessels of destruction?
Like seeing Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit which astonished him and the Jews with him.Only so far as the first of those statements is concerned, and it is quite possible that we misinterpret it to be a comment on the subject of Election when it means something else.
Ok.Total depravity must mean total depravity before we can understand the POWER that freed us from total depravity.
The Gospel is the Power unto salvation. Meaning God made hearing the Gospel as the “vehicle” for His calling. But much more is happening. Remember John 3:8. We don’t control the direction of the “wind.” When Peter confessed Jesus as the Christ and Son of God what did Jesus day to Him where those words came from? Answer: The Father:If God had to make a person a believer, than the Gospel lacks the power UNTO salvation.
Does not follow. Paul in Ephesians and in Romans teaches we are dead in our sins and trespasses, no one seeks God, no one is righteous and much more laying out we are children of wrath. That is the condition of us all. That’s not Calvinism that’s the Bible. Take the above description on our nature does not do violence to the Gospel but clearly states why Christ died for us so that God can redeem us.So basically Calvinism is a direct attack on the cross of Christ.
No choice but to believe, and no choice but to burn is no choice in the cross.
We have everything to do with the consequences of the transgression of Adam. Romans 5 is quite clear on this.So it is just that trillions of people who had absolutely nothing to do with Adam and Eve’s sin will burn in the lake of fire for all eternity?
I’ve seen this assertion before but it does not follow.This is true, but the conflict between Calvinism and the gospel is, Calvin says a person is saved by a sovereign act of election by God alone. So all those scriptures that state, believe, believe, believe, are just nonsense because man (according to Calvin) cannot believe. Man is elected. All the untold multitudes who arent "elected" never even have the chance to believe, and thus the conflict.
The above is your answer.For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.”
So for you God’s election is based on our human decision?. I believe His election is based on His foreknowledge of who will believe and abide in Christ to the end.
Renniks the majority doesn’t always get it right as often seen throughout the history of the world but do feel free to run with the mob if that’s how you evaluate things. You say God doesn’t pass over anyone. Yes he does. For Holy Scripture clearly states the Lord has chosen us and we not him. Is God merely a computer at the beckon call of whomever will, where you simply key in the password and so the Lord must obey and let you in. That is the full gravity of the error. I dare say heresy once fully comprehended.Wow, funny how the majority of Christiandom down through the ages don't get that from scripture. God doesn't pass over anyone. He offers salvation to all.
Show me where this is taught in the New Testament.Everyone has had the ability to choose to serve God.
It’s us electing God. Not so Sovereign.Why would that deserve to be described as "election" at all?
You would be surprised at how many of them have a legend about someone coming to bring them back to the One True God. They know moral truth. The question will be how they dealt with their own moral failures. So yes it’s possible.Were individuals who lived in the middle of the jungle 500 years ago who never heard about Jesus saved?
It says God determines who goes to hell before birth with no chance otherwise. This is unjust.How so?
The hearts of men cannot be expressed as data.Show me the data.
Thats correct for God did know his own before the world began. But God still does have foreknowledge of the future.And nowhere in the Bible does it teach God elects by foreknowledge of someone’s faith. That idea is injected into the text. Eisegesis at its worst.
How did that covenant work out?No I completely agree that we inherited their sinful nature but I disagree that we are unable to find favor with God. Genesis 6:8 Noah found favor with God. There are many other passages in the scriptures where men find favor with God.
“The LORD favors those who fear Him, Those who wait for His lovingkindness.”
Psalms 147:11 NASB
Very similar to Acts 10:35.
“My son, do not forget my teaching, But let your heart keep my commandments; For length of days and years of life And peace they will add to you. Do not let kindness and truth leave you; Bind them around your neck, Write them on the tablet of your heart. So you will find favor and good repute In the sight of God and man.”
Proverbs 3:1-4 NASB
“He who finds a wife finds a good thing And obtains favor from the LORD.”
Proverbs 18:22 NASB
“"Now therefore, O sons, listen to me, For blessed are they who keep my ways. "Heed instruction and be wise, And do not neglect it. "Blessed is the man who listens to me, Watching daily at my gates, Waiting at my doorposts. "For he who finds me finds life And obtains favor from the LORD. "But he who sins against me injures himself; All those who hate me love death."”
Proverbs 8:32-36 NASB
“Now therefore, I pray You, if I have found favor in Your sight, let me know Your ways that I may know You, so that I may find favor in Your sight. Consider too, that this nation is Your people." And He said, "My presence shall go with you, and I will give you rest." Then he said to Him, "If Your presence does not go with us, do not lead us up from here. For how then can it be known that I have found favor in Your sight, I and Your people? Is it not by Your going with us, so that we, I and Your people, may be distinguished from all the other people who are upon the face of the earth?" The LORD said to Moses, "I will also do this thing of which you have spoken; for you have found favor in My sight and I have known you by name."”
Exodus 33:13-17 NASB
“Now the boy Samuel was growing in stature and in favor both with the LORD and with men.”
1 Samuel 2:26 NASB
“Saul sent to Jesse, saying, "Let David now stand before me, for he has found favor in my sight."”
1 Samuel 16:22 NASB
“A good man will obtain favor from the LORD, But He will condemn a man who devises evil.”
Proverbs 12:2 NASB
That plays no role in His choices for he loves all and wishes all to be saved.Thats correct for God did know his own before the world began. But God still does have foreknowledge of the future.
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