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There are cultural forms of rudeness that we may not be aware of when visiting another country. We may not intend to be rude, but we may be rude by doing something they may find to be rude.
Yes, what people think is rude may vary. Nowadays it seems that telling the truth is considered rude, no matter how you tell it. And I think that is wrong. I think it is not sin to be rude. But it is wrong not to love others as yourself. And I think, if one loves, he is polite normally. But sometimes it may be good to be rude, if it helps other to right path.
I know I have to go back and edit a post when I've been attacked and react rudely. The Holy Spirit won't let me get away with it. And He'll tell me when I've gone to bed, and I'll have to get up and go edit it, or there will be no sleep tonight! LOL
Remember when we talked of sins not unto death called trespasses. That may be one. So we need to forgive other posters and use long-suffering and self control to develop those fruit of the Spirit. Then the Father will forgive us our rudeness.
I also wanted to encourage you to always stay strong in the Lord, sister. Finish the race for the love of our Savior Jesus.
For Jesus is our cornerstone.
Here are some helpful definitions on Liberal Christianity (if you really do not know).
"Liberals view the Bible as the witness of God rather than the word of God. Strangely the view looks for support by a type of literal interpretation — though this should not be confused with the form of Biblical literalism found in fundamentalist and conservative churches — of the words of Paul in his second letter to Timothy:"
Source:
Liberal Christianity - Conservapedia
"liberal Christians placed less emphasis on miraculous events associated with the life of Jesus than on his teachings. The effort to remove "superstitious" elements from Christian faith"
Source:
What is liberal Christian theology? | GotQuestions.org
Liberal Christianity also embraces the evolutionary paradigm (see also: Evolution and liberalism).
In July 2000, Creation Ministries International reported:
“ For years, many people have scoffed at any suggestion that the evils in society could be linked with the teaching of the theory of evolution. But new research has confirmed what Bible-believers have known all along—that the rising acceptance of Darwin’s theory is related to declining morality in the community.
The research survey of 1535 people, conducted by the Australian National University, revealed that belief in evolution is associated with moral permissiveness. Darwin himself apparently feared that belief in evolution by the common man would lead to social decay. The survey showed that people who believed in evolution were more likely to be in favour of premarital sex than those who rejected Darwin’s theory. Another issue which highlighted the contrast between the effect of evolutionary ideas and that of biblical principles was that Darwinians were reported to be ‘especially tolerant’ of abortion.
In identifying the primary factors determining these differences in community attitudes, the author of the research report, Dr Jonathan Kelley, said: ‘The single most important influence after church attendance is the theory of evolution.’"
Source:
Liberal Christianity - Conservapedia
My definition of Liberal Christianity is deeper, but I will not go into that here at extensive length. Most conservative Christians know that liberal Christians tend to disregard certain cherished moral values that the Bible teaches. Morally speaking from my experience: Liberals tend to accept abortion, magic (witchcraft), paganism, and other things. They also have been known to think of stories like Job, and Jonah as myths and not real historical accounts. They also tend to think that either all forms of Christianity are saved in God's eyes, and or they think that all religions are one and there is truth in them all. For some liberals, Jesus is not one and only way to salvation.
John the Baptist comes off a lot like many street preachers today. While I would not take such an approach (unless the Lord personally told me to do so), it was not wrong of John the Baptist to tell people to repent and to call them brood of vipers, etc. (Luke 3:7).
What is your view of liberal Christianity?
Is their view correct on Christianity?
Can we appear as rude to them by standing behind the values of the Bible?
I imagine in some cases like with the West Boro Baptist church, they can be wrong because they are not correcting others in love. But to take a stand against that which is ignored as being evil is not always wrong.
I wanted to know your definition of liberal Christianity as many people define things in different way. It was not that I did not know what I considered liberal Christianity it is that I could not assume that you would define it the same way as I.
You said:Ok now as for the defined Liberal Christianity in the post you took the time and effort to send out. Thanks for that BTW.
You said:My view is that it seems very disjointed and lacks a central theme as well as internal consistency. It would seem to be based upon personal preference and finding a way to justify that.
Is their view correct? I would say that anyone that conformed to the definition you supplied would be hard pressed to give a good account as to why it was correct. Though there are some points that I consider reasonable, I certainly would not hold it as something I could be convinced was consistently well thought out.
You said:Can we appear as rude to them( Liberal Christians ) by standing t behind the Bible? That is always possibility. I am sure that they can appear rude to others as well by doing what they consider to be standing behind the Bible.
You said:Taking a stand against what one considers to be evil is never wrong. Accepting the fact that not everyone sees things as one does and that one might not always be correct is also never wrong. Seeing a person, rather than a situation or an action as evil and treating people as such is usually wrong. John the Baptist was intense and may well have been considered rude by those he criticized but I do not know if what he did was actually rude. I don' t consider it rude if someone gets their feelings hurt because you tell them the truth. I do consider it rude if you set out to hurt someone's feelings by telling them the truth.
Paul says he is rude in speech (See: 2 Corinthians 11:6 in the KJV). Was Paul sinning? Surely not.
An older definition of rude is "lacking subtlety or sophistication." It seems to me that Paul probably lacked sophistication in his manner of speaking, not that he was rude as in impolite.
Was Jesus being rude when He broke out the whips and trashed the money-changers tables?Is being rude a sin?
Definition of Rude:
Rudeness is a display of disrespect by not complying with the social norms or etiquette of a group or culture. These norms have been established as the essential boundaries of normally accepted behavior.
Source:
Rudeness - Wikipedia
Note: Yes, I am aware of 1 Corinthians 13:5. The KJV does not use this word, though. Pauls says he is rude in speech (See: 2 Corinthians 11:6 in the KJV). Was Paul sinning? Surely not. In addition, there are examples of being rude in our culture that is really wrong (and I would consider it a sin).
Here are some examples given here:
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-examples-of-rude-behavior
And here:
The 25 Rudest Behaviors—Are You an Offender?
But what some may consider as rude may not always be rude to another.
There are cultural forms of rudeness that we may not be aware of when visiting another country. We may not intend to be rude, but we may be rude by doing something they may find to be rude.
I do see that there is a form of worldly rudeness (Which does not condemn a person), and that there is a form of Godly rudeness (That can condemn us if we do not seek to heed the conviction of the Spirit if we really wronged somebody by such rudeness).
Was Jesus being rude when He broke out the whips and trashed the money-changers tables?
Liberal Christians (as labeled by the general Christian community, regardless of whether you subscribe to their label or not) tend to be against judgment of others
Please read my post. I was addressing the meaning of the word rude. If once meant something very different.
Then I suppose I am classified as a Liberal Christian if the general community of Christians thinks that only a Liberal Christian think it is not their place to judge others. Don't know exactly who that general community entails. Were any self described liberal Christians consulted on that definition because I can assure you they do not think I am among their number. In my experience. there are a number of people that call themselves liberal Christians that think very much it is their place to judge others. Perhaps they are in reality Conservative Christians in disguise? Funny how I can be considered a liberal Christian and a conservative Christian by two separate porters in a twenty four hour span. Perhaps, like Paul, I am all things to all people.
I did read it. It does not mean I have to reply in response to your preferred definition. I see the word "rude" as doing something that causes minor harm towards others that one does out of an unloving heart. James 2 is an example. The brethren that James is writing to had respect of persons and they showed favor to the rich brethren but they showed no favor to the poor brethren. This was rude on their part to disregard the poor brethren. Another example? People here in Texas drive loud monster trucks, and suped up Mustangs. They are so loud, they will make your ears ring. Well, I have ringing in the ears prior to living here (Note: All glory to the Lord for that), but the point here is that they are being rude and or showing a lack of love towards others. They do not think what it is like for people like me who have sensitive hearing and it actually hurts my ears to hear them driving by (even with earplugs). But the Lord tells me to pray for all, and to be thankful in all situations (whether they be bad or good ones). These are the things I would call rude and they are sinful in a wrong way. But Jesus is rich in His mercy and He is willing to forgive if they come to Him and change their ways.
First, I don't have a "preferred definition." I provided the definition that the compilers of the KJV would have been using in referencing Paul's "rude" speech. It doesn't mean rude in the way that you are using it. You are reading a 1611 book using 21st century definitions. It doesn't work that way. Trust me,
You said:Shakespeare was not referencing gay people when he used the word "#@$*&" in Henry VI, he was talking about bundles of sticks used for firewood. That is what the word meant then.
Sorry, I cannot trust you or your experience in this particular instance, my friend.
I believe my own experience on this matter trumps your own - IMO (no offense of course) (See this thread here on why I believe the KJV is divinely inspired perfect Word of God).
What "experience?"
Words have meaning. You are trying to read a 1611 source using modern definitions. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
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