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Vylo said:Anger gives me that blissful moment of surpressed inhibition and rush of adrenaline needed to vanquish my enemies with no thoughts towards the consequences.
JK
TheThirdLink said:God does not bow His knee to you, if anything
TheThirdLink said:Even in the old days kings beheaded their subjects for speaking to them with such an attitude.
TheThirdLink said:The servant is not greater than his lord. Don't think you are greater than God. It will never happen in an eternity's time. The difference is God is a merciful king. We're just flesh, my friend. And even our souls are pitiful compared to Him.
TheThirdLink said:He will not change to the ways of our society. We are a sinful society, He is perfect. If He changed to be sinful like us, it would mean our doom.
TheThirdLink said:Anger is not always bad:
The Midge said:I don't know if what you describe is very civilized or if it is I would doubt that civilization is worth while. ????
The Midge said:Is nothing special or worthwhile enough for you to get emotional? Do you really mean that there is nothing that I could do to you or another that would not trigger an out rage to your sense of morality? Have you no passion?
The Midge said:All this reasonableness, and not being offensive is disengenous- I think what you are saying is that nothing is worthwhile. You need to get a sense of how outrageous the money changers were being. They were charging people to meet with God! Would you say that we should meter and charge for air by the cubic meter????
nb_christseeker said:btw, it is a very bad idea to call God evil, for he is holy and is in charge, and he takes great offense to that. Repent immediately.
I was thinking the same way. Anger is harmful most of the time, but there are some occassions when it is beneficial. In life-or-death struggles, such as war, it probably wouldn't hurt the combatants' chances to be angry.Nietzsche said:is anger ever a good emotion? do you think Genghis Kahn could of conquered half the land he did if he wasnt angry? no do you think Patton would of been that motivated if he wasnt angry? no see being anger ROCKS!!!!
A Civilisation that contains nothing that will make you angry if it is violated, no value that if it broken does not cause shock and outrage is a pretty hollow one. We are not there yet (thank God!) but we are becoming more of an "anything goes" society.ThinkerThinker said:Thats just a pessimistic outlook that I dont subscribe to. I think we have a wonderful, very exciting civilization which is not perfect but progressing nicely.
Of course you are! And you would get pretty angry if I tried to harm them wouldn't you? Because they are worth it. I'm sure that anger would make you do something possitive to protect them.Me not passionate? How dare you) I am passionate about life, about my wife and daughter, about my job. And yes, at times, I do become angry and it shows my humanness and my fallibility but I always think afterwards that it was pointless and ineffective to get angry. You dont need to be angry to indicate something is worthwhile and you dont need to get angry to solve a problem.
The money changers were outrageous but that was not the way to deal with the problem. None of those people kicked out in that way was any closer to truly understanding what they were doing wrong or changing their point of view. They just experienced what they probably regarded as some nut kicking them around. Im sure they were all back the next day.
May be the money changers would be back. Human corruptness is like that. I think this incident gives us a clue to who Jesus was.
In todays standards of enlightenment- then you have to suppose that your societies standards are indeed something to be looked up to and we are in fact enlightend. Much or the Arab world are shocked by what our society permits!Personally I think you both are trying to deal with this the wrong way. Here is a God that seems to act in a barbaric fashion, in todays standards of enlightenment, and you try to say its OK because he is god and we just need to accept it because he knows better and maybe we dont understand it all.
I would rather like to think God is not a barbaric, baby murdering, monster and that my idea of what a good, love motivated God is, is closer to the mark than what you are proposing, and then sit down and try to figure out a way to reconcile his old testament actions with my understanding of a wise, loving, god. At least, if I get it reconciled I will end up with a god I can accept rather than one I have to accept by applying double standards.
There are "destructive" - or negative - elements in religion which are not necessarily bad.waterbear said:I don't think anger is ever useful. Ditto for fear (fear not to be confused with caution). It isn't very tricky to translate anger into sadness, which is not as potentially destructive. Fear usually goes away if you face the fear. Consequently, there is no good reason to have anger or fear
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