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Is a Book-of-Acts level of connection with the Holy Spirit possible?

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Book of Acts:
  • Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” Acts 8:29
  • And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:39
  • While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. But get up, go downstairs and accompany them without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself.” Acts 10:19-20
  • The Spirit told me to go with them without misgivings. These six brethren also went with me and we entered the man’s house. Acts 11:12
  • While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Acts 13:2
  • For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: Acts 15:28
  • 6 And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia. 7 And when they had come up to Mysia, they attempted to go into Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them. 8 So, passing by Mysia, they went down to Troas. 9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night: a man of Macedonia was standing there, urging him and saying, “Come over to Macedonia and help us.” 10 And when Paul had seen the vision, immediately we sought to go on into Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them. Acts 16:6-10
  • 9 He had four unmarried daughters, who prophesied. 10 While we were staying for many days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 And coming to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘This is how the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’” Acts 21:9-11

Other books:
  • Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. Matthew 4:1
  • And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness 2 for forty days, being tempted by the devil. And he ate nothing during those days. And when they were ended, he was hungry. Luke 4:1-2
  • 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and a report about him went out through all the surrounding country. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified by all. Luke 4:14-15
  • For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. Romans 8:14
  • My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27

Question:

Can we reach this level of connection with the Holy Spirit?

If so, how?​
 

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What are hindrances to reaching and retaining that level of connection?

What it requires is a mind steadfast on the Mission.

The cares of the world, the inherent needs of a corruptible body...those things pull a person away from having a mind steadfast on the Mission.

If a person says, "I will follow..." with a "but" or "unless," there won't be that connection, regardless how quietly that "but" or "unless" is spoken.
 
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Book of Acts:
  • Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” Acts 8:29
  • And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:39
  • While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. But get up, go downstairs and accompany them without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself.” Acts 10:19-20
  • The Spirit told me to go with them without misgivings. These six brethren also went with me and we entered the man’s house. Acts 11:12
  • While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Acts 13:2
  • For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: Acts 15:28
  • 6 And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia. 7 And when they had come up to Mysia, they attempted to go into Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them. 8 So, passing by Mysia, they went down to Troas. 9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night: a man of Macedonia was standing there, urging him and saying, “Come over to Macedonia and help us.” 10 And when Paul had seen the vision, immediately we sought to go on into Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them. Acts 16:6-10
  • 9 He had four unmarried daughters, who prophesied. 10 While we were staying for many days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 And coming to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘This is how the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’” Acts 21:9-11

Other books:
  • Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. Matthew 4:1
  • And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness 2 for forty days, being tempted by the devil. And he ate nothing during those days. And when they were ended, he was hungry. Luke 4:1-2
  • 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and a report about him went out through all the surrounding country. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified by all. Luke 4:14-15
  • For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. Romans 8:14
  • My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27

Question:

Can we reach this level of connection with the Holy Spirit?

If so, how?​

While we cannot know exactly how the Spirit will move and work: John 3:8 The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

We can notice how in the very special time of the beginning of the Church, the Holy Spirit came so powerfully on the apostles who had been with Christ that they literally had tongues of fire come down onto them.

Acts 2:3 They saw tongues like flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.

They were given special aid/help for that special moment of time, as they were to establish the Church.

While for Elijah, a major prophet (who was present at the Transfiguration of Christ !) ...the voice from the Spirit was a "still small voice" or soft whisper (not loud at all):

11 The Lord said, “Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the Lord, for the Lord is about to pass by.” (!)

Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. 12 After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. [ESV: " low whisper", KJV: "still small voice"] 13 When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave.

Then a voice said to him, “What are you doing here, Elijah?”
1 Kings 19 NIV

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So, we are not the actual apostles sent out to establish the Church for the very beginning of the Church.

But, still, we cannot know how the Spirit will move. It's specifically not up to us to say. Some of what we can do today includes helpful instructions to us such as to "wait on the Lord" and to "seek" (Matthew 7), and to "walk in the spirit" (instead of the flesh) (Romans 8).
 
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So, we are not the actual apostles sent out to establish the Church for the very beginning of the Church.

But, still, we cannot know how the Spirit will move. It's specifically not up to us to say. Some of what we can do today includes helpful instructions to us such as to "wait on the Lord" and to "seek" (Matthew 7), and to "walk in the spirit" (instead of the flesh) (Romans 8).

So, do you agree or disagree with @RDKirk (post #2)? He says that it is possible.
 
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Can we reach this level of connection with the Holy Spirit?

If so, how?
To walk in the Holy Spirit requires sanctification.
Luke 1:
74
To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him
all the days of our life.

Most all Christians are able to see the need to
keep themselves from the sin which defiles.
However, the opposite of holy is common.
To the degree that the church or an individual
continues in ways that are "common to man"
is the degree to which they lack the holiness
to abide in the Holy Spirit. This is the process
of sanctification. The apostles had been sanctified
by their time of discipleship.

John 15:3 You are already clean because of the word
which I have spoken to you.


The apostles in Acts were fully set apart to serve.
 
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Yes, although I confess the difficulty in this life of retaining that level of connection in every season.
Yes I think you are right. Jesus tell in the parrable of the seeds
Matt.13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

We have a lot of distractions today. But our Father promises.
2 Chronicles 7:14If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
 
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So, do you agree or disagree with @RDKirk (post #2)? He says that it is possible.
Is it possible to have the Holy Spirit guide us. You bet it is, and we had better.

I hope though I communicated we cannot predict the Spirit. We cannot decide when and how....

But, a better answer than merely my views is the inspired word:

1 Corinthians 12 NIV
 
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Yes, although I confess the difficulty in this life of retaining that level of connection in every season.
It's a daily need to seek the Lord, wait on the Lord, it seems in my experience, though it also happens on some days as I'm not managing so well on my own part of that that God helps, meets me more than half way, like a parent coming to a toddler's aid.
 
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For you this post, where do you think that thought that desire comes from? So many times He talks to us and we just toss it out thinking it was just me thinking it. Does it still happen can we walk like they did? Have we all been sleeping? Its been happening since Christ rose. I know countless stories of old and new that still happen today. A miracle with a baby and about 5 thousand there all saw it yet why didn't ever make the news. Or one I saw where a blind woman got new eyes hundreds there yet that also never made the news. I mean new eyes. Or a man that talks to world leaders.. I mean every world leader you can think of God has open the doors and suppled ever need for him to get there. Like God "go to the airport I want you to go to....". Don't ask just go then you get there some woman says "are you so and so? The lord told me to give you this ticket."

A man who went home about a year ago now God called him to walk the streets of wow so many cities all over the world. See he prayed as he walked those streets and his stories.. mind blowing. See these things happen and GOD wants them to happen but we get stuck on silly doctrines. We think we know who should really be of God.. we know the ones God should use. Sorry never works that way. So many times it someone we don't like don't agree with. They said yes hear I am use me. They just were open and willing. Not many want to pay the price. The moment we truly make that choice the enemy comes in so fast to test.. so no matter how we feel see hear no matter how dark it gets we stand then stand. Are we grounded in the word and have a prayer life and always talking the time to listen.

Lol I am expert here. Just take the time to know Him. Everything we read about He still does and MORE! See with God if its of God it always grows. You can never get bored with Him never get enough of Him. There is no end to Him. He loves to talk to give and give and give. He does not need us.. but praise GOD wants to use us for His glory.

Yet as Handmaid for Jesus said "We have a lot of distractions today" 2nd Chro 7:14 AMEN! Just read and just believe. Take Luke 11:13 maybe you already know it. The point is when seeking Him He will not give you a fish when you asked for bread. If you read something in that word just know its out side of time. If He said it He will do it. Again we get stuck on silly doctrines. A prophet gone home before I was born was talking and said "some of you might disagree or have some different doctrine but that does not touch salvation".

So yes still happens today praise GOD glory to Jesus. He said delight your self in the lord and He will give you the desires of your heart. HAHA where do we think those desires came from..
 
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Book of Acts:
  • Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” Acts 8:29
  • And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:39
  • While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. But get up, go downstairs and accompany them without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself.” Acts 10:19-20
  • The Spirit told me to go with them without misgivings. These six brethren also went with me and we entered the man’s house. Acts 11:12
  • While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Acts 13:2
  • For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: Acts 15:28
  • 6 And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia. 7 And when they had come up to Mysia, they attempted to go into Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them. 8 So, passing by Mysia, they went down to Troas. 9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night: a man of Macedonia was standing there, urging him and saying, “Come over to Macedonia and help us.” 10 And when Paul had seen the vision, immediately we sought to go on into Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them. Acts 16:6-10
  • 9 He had four unmarried daughters, who prophesied. 10 While we were staying for many days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 And coming to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘This is how the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’” Acts 21:9-11

Other books:
  • Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. Matthew 4:1
  • And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness 2 for forty days, being tempted by the devil. And he ate nothing during those days. And when they were ended, he was hungry. Luke 4:1-2
  • 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and a report about him went out through all the surrounding country. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified by all. Luke 4:14-15
  • For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. Romans 8:14
  • My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27

Question:

Can we reach this level of connection with the Holy Spirit?

If so, how?​
The Holy Spirit is directly guilding the Apostles . They are the foundation of the Gospel. We as Christians are also guilded by His Holy Spirit daily but not given the same mission and responsibility as the 12 were given. That being said, there are some who can get prophetic utterances and words of knowledge today. We just need to discern them just as the Apostles discerned Paul.
Blessings
 
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Question:

Can we reach this level of connection with the Holy Spirit?

If so, how?​
The Holy Spirit reaches out to us regardless of what we do. But many do not listen. Our job is to be ready and listening. We should not think of spiritual connection as something that we can control by our own efforts. Sometimes it pleases God to deny us that consolation for a time. See "Dark Night of the Soul" from St. John of the Cross and the life of Mother Teresa of Calcutta. Both of them speak of a period of spiritual dryness. But a faithful Christian does not place demands on God for communication. We can always talk to Him. He is always listening. But we cannot force Him to talk to us.
 
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While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Acts 13:2

Fasting being the key word here.

Please read Isaiah 58 for fasting instructions,.

Also in Isaiah 58.
13“If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day,

Fasting being not just a food fast, but a fast from the flesh, fasting from phones, tv, distractions, and doing what is right and good.

There is no way around this, you must pray and fast for a day.

If you do this you should run into problems pretty quick cause your going to get very bored, and the desires of your flesh will come up. You will also find your own mind trying to pull you away. You have to keep pulling yourself back and push through it.

It should get so tough, that you will start calling on God for help to push through for the day.

I believe that you may have already experienced this.. eg. You been posting about the spirit for along time now, and thinking about fasting but the flesh wants an easy way out and dont want to do these things.
 
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Book of Acts:
  • Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” Acts 8:29
  • And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:39
  • While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. But get up, go downstairs and accompany them without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself.” Acts 10:19-20
  • The Spirit told me to go with them without misgivings. These six brethren also went with me and we entered the man’s house. Acts 11:12
  • While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Acts 13:2
  • For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: Acts 15:28
  • 6 And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia. 7 And when they had come up to Mysia, they attempted to go into Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them. 8 So, passing by Mysia, they went down to Troas. 9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night: a man of Macedonia was standing there, urging him and saying, “Come over to Macedonia and help us.” 10 And when Paul had seen the vision, immediately we sought to go on into Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them. Acts 16:6-10
  • 9 He had four unmarried daughters, who prophesied. 10 While we were staying for many days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 And coming to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘This is how the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’” Acts 21:9-11

Other books:
  • Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. Matthew 4:1
  • And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness 2 for forty days, being tempted by the devil. And he ate nothing during those days. And when they were ended, he was hungry. Luke 4:1-2
  • 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and a report about him went out through all the surrounding country. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified by all. Luke 4:14-15
  • For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. Romans 8:14
  • My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27

Question:

Can we reach this level of connection with the Holy Spirit?

If so, how?​

I think it depends on what you're taking away from this as "connection with the Holy Spirit".

Because I'd answer yes, but that's because this connection is found in God's Means of Grace for His Church. It's the reality that we are members of Christ's Body and have the Holy Spirit Himself dwelling in us and renewing, converting, justifying, sanctifying us with grace.

If the take-away is having extraordinary spiritual experiences, there's nothing in Scripture to suggest that this is even normative. And thus has nothing to do with a connection with the Holy Spirit. There's no deeper connection with God than the connection we already have in Christ already. It's not like there are degrees of Christian in which we scale some spiritual ladder upward. There may be degrees of maturity as we spend our lives committing ourselves to walk in the faith through repentance, and good works, but that has nothing to do with God's relationship toward us which is firmly established not in our own works and abilities, but in Christ Alone, which is ours by Grace alone, through faith. It is the free gift of God.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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There's no deeper connection with God than the connection we already have in Christ already. It's not like there are degrees of Christian in which we scale some spiritual ladder upward.

Are you saying that there are no different degrees of closeness to God?

What about Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Peter, Paul, John? Did they develop a deeper relationship and connection with God than others?

Would you say that your relationship with God is as intimate and strong as that of the Apostle Paul?

Would you say that you are as full of the Holy Spirit as Stephen (Acts 6)?
 
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Are you saying that there are no different degrees of closeness to God?

What about Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Peter, Paul, John? Did they develop a deeper relationship and connection with God than others?

A deeper relationship and connection? I don't think so. Were their experiences unique? Well yeah. Moses was, well, Moses. Jeremiah and Isaiah were prophets called by God to speak on His behalf to Israel, and Peter, James, and John were Christ's Apostles.

I'm not a prophet or an apostle, I'm just me. But the same God who met Moses in a burning bush gives Himself to me in Word and Sacrament. If anything, that is far greater than anything Moses, Jeremiah, or Isaiah could ever even dream of. At Christ's Table is the very flesh and blood of God Incarnate Himself. In that sense, we certainly know God better than Moses did, because we know His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.

But no, I don't think that the unique experiences of certain individuals in the Bible reflect some sort of higher-stage spirituality than what the common Christian today has. It reflects that these were people used by God for His specific purposes: Namely God's work through Jesus Christ for the world.

I think it's actually very dangerous to think that there are higher-stage spiritualities that we can access. Because it removes ourselves from being dependent upon God's grace in Word and Sacrament, and leads us to start turning inward to ourselves. And in this there is nothing spiritual at all, only more carnality.

It leads toward things like Messalianism. In more aggressive forms it starts to look like the various strains of Gnosticism that have cropped up over history.

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I think it's actually very dangerous to think that there are higher-stage spiritualities that we can access. Because it removes ourselves from being dependent upon God's grace in Word and Sacrament, and leads us to start turning inward to ourselves. And in this there is nothing spiritual at all, only more carnality.

I fail to see the logic of this objection. Spiritual growth is entirely dependent upon God's grace. I fail to see how spiritual growth can lead to greater carnality and inward focus. If that were the case, it would be "carnal growth", not spiritual growth.

17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. (2 Corinthians 3:17-18 KJV)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; (Ephesians 4:11-14 KJV)

2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. 3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. 4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. 5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch: 6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them. (Acts 6:2-6 KJV)

Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. (1 Corinthians 14:1 ESV)

But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way. (1 Corinthians 12:31 ESV)​
 
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Can we reach this level of connection with the Holy Spirit?

If so, how?
People have done things that God told them to do, but they were not well-connected so they stayed with Him.

The connection is not only in hearing and obeying what God says.

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"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

Every child of God, then, has the connection of how the Holy Spirit shares God's own love with the person . . . "in our hearts". And this is not only for certain activities given special attention by God.

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you are called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

By submitting to God in His peace, we share with God in all the good of this peace which is God's own peace. So, we are not connected only for hearing and doing what God says, but we are so intimately sharing with Him.

And in this peace we are developed for how our Father has us relating with one another. And so our connection has to do with how we become able to relate as family in Jesus; so it is not only some individual heroic thing of one person hearing and obeying, but we share as family >

"with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2)

"Now may the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God and into the patience of Christ." (2 Thessalonians 3:5)

So, we do not only get guided by hearing and doing what we are told, but the Holy Spirit guides us into God's love and the patience of Jesus. I would say this involves growing and maturing that is guided by God so we become conformed to the image of Jesus. And as we grow in this, we develop in His strength and creativity for how to love every person.
 
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Question:

Can we reach this level of connection with the Holy Spirit?

If so, how?

Under what circumstances were the apostles enabled to do the miraculous things they did and be led so directly and clearly by the Holy Spirit? Well, they were establishing the Early Church, working in God's power to make a space in the world, for the first time, for the Church, the Bride of Christ. What's more, they were doing so in a culture that was powerfully hostile to the doctrines and practices of the Church. Additionally, the New Testament had not yet been written and so its spiritual principles, commands, and wisdom that guide believers today were not available to the apostles, "preparing them unto every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16-17). The apostles also needed to establish themselves as legitimate representatives of God, post-Calvary prophets of a sort, speaking for God and acting in His power for His purposes. And so, obviously, a special measure of supernatural leading and power was necessary then that is not necessary today.

The modern Christian believer has the complete word of God, which the Spirit "calls to remembrance" and illuminates as the believer is careful to study it and live in accord with it, that orders their thinking, values, morality and conduct, guiding them clearly through mundane, everyday living. In our time, too, the Church is well-established in many regions of the world, a familiar and settled feature of western culture (though, this condition is now eroding pretty seriously). With seminaries and Bible colleges all over the place and the proliferation of spiritual "experts" writing books, and making documentaries, and offering seminars, the uniquely empowered apostles of the Early Church are no longer required.

However, something like the apostles' experience of the Holy Spirit still occurs today. In circumstances where Christ and the Gospel are directly challenged by occult power, I hear of Christians going nose-to-nose with the demonic and God intervening in a supernatural manner, demonstrating to all that He is greater, securing the attention of those looking on, and creating a platform of spiritual authority from which His servants speak and uproot the strongholds of the demonic. In such instances, God has the furtherance of His kingdom, His glorification and the dissolution of occult domination in mind, not just thrilling His children with sensational events as a sort of religious entertainment.

To whom much is given, much is required. In virtually every instance in Scripture where God acted unusually, supernaturally, in a person's life, it was as a precursor to requiring of them an out-of-the-ordinary level of service (or to judge them). This was true of Noah, Moses, Gideon, Joshua, Joseph, Daniel, David, Paul and so on. Few Christians, though, want the sort of demands placed upon them that God placed upon those in Scripture to whom He "gave much" in experience of Himself. No, they just want a bit of spiritual stimulation, some excitement, not to give up all for the sake of serving Christ, not to go into the darkness and battle "spiritual wickedness in high places," tearing down long-established strongholds of evil and perhaps dying in the process.

Can we obtain the same interaction with the Holy Spirit that Jesus, God incarnate, the second Person of the Trinity, had? I don't see how. While we are made in the imago dei and so share some few, basic things in common with our Maker, and while we are the temples of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) and joint-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17), we still do not come anywhere close to being God incarnate, perfect in fulfilling the law of God, enjoying the sort of union with the Godhead that Christ did. And so, we should not expect to experience the Spirit in just the way Jesus did.

But, we can experience God. In Scripture, we are told that the Holy Spirit will convict us of our sin, teach us God's truth, empower us to resist temptation and stand strong in the face of temptation, comfort us in seasons of trial and sorrow, and transform us into the "image of Christ" (among other things). (John 16:8; John 16:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10-16; Ephesians 3:16; Romans 8:13-14; Philippians 2:13; Philippians 4:13; 2 Corinthians 1:3-5; Hebrews 12:5-11; Galatians 5:22-23; Ephesians 5:9) These are all very profound, life-altering things that the Spirit does, having always a direct and serious effect upon our practical living. But this is exactly why so many believers find the work of the Spirit unattractive and dissatisfying. They want to be excited, not changed; they want to be thrilled, not transformed; they want to feel God's power, not commune with God Himself. And so, they turn away from the normal, quiet, progressive, truly life-changing experience of God the Bible describes, chasing after something noisier, something more stimulating to their senses, but something actually quite ungodly instead.

1 Kings 19:11-13
11 And he said, Go and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and broke in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:
12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
13 And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What do you do here, Elijah?


God was not in the noisy, the tumultuous, the hot and blinding, but He was in the still and small, the quiet, the calm. As creatures in a world bombarding us all the time with stimulating sights and sounds, with a myriad of bright, loud distractions, the quietness and peace of fellowship with God seems entirely too placid - dull, really. It seems only after the World has beat the stuffings out of a person, wounding, and exhausting, and corrupting them, that they limp toward God, poisoned and darkened by the savage, wild wilderness of the World, crying out for relief and protection. Only when they have discovered that the sound and fury of the World is not all it promised to be is the invitation of God to the peaceful life in the Spirit He describes to us in His word of interest to them. We humans sure are a stupid bunch...
 
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