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Introduction to the Problem of Evil and Book of Job: Sermon 1

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I taught the following during my church's Sunday school class. I am interested in any comments, even critiques. Thanks!


 

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....all right, i may have jumped the gun and thought that your understanding of the dynamics of Job, God, and Satan were flawed. As i listened, it is with much relief that i found that this was not yet one more smear campaign against Job who is sooooo misunderstood, as to the why's of why he suffers so inexplicably.

i found myself agreeing with most of it as it seems there's been a bit of "digging" into this treasure of a book.

Thank you.

 
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I taught the following during my church's Sunday school class. I am interested in any comments, even critiques. Thanks!


Hi,

You brought up a lot of points. Your central message, unless there were several, was not clear to me, if. If it was not, to take suffering as it comes, without saying it is always because we have upset God.

Now, off topic. For me Job is a wonderment and a confirmation that God is doing things that we are unaware of. Job was unaware God was calling Satan on maybe two things. One is a set of lies, as we are told Satan is a liar, there is no reason for us to believe that he was patrolling the earth.

Off topic again, Biblically when the Bible tells me that two of Jobs friends did not speak correctly about God, then I take all they said about God as being incorrect. When the Bible says that Satan is a liar, I take all things Satan has said as lies.

So wheter Job was patrolling the earth, with the then called sons of God, either in actuallity or in adopted sons of God like you are one of now it seems, we are not certain and can't be, without digging.

In any even God, just like two guys talking, calls Satan on his words. Paraphrased God says something like this:

God: "Really? Then did you see my man Job. That guy is the best of them on earth in trying hard not to displease me. There is no one like him down there."

Satan, either covering up the fact that he did not see Job, or something else: "Oh yeah, that's because you treat him so well. If you take away all you have given him, he will curse you."

Notice, God never talked about cursing. Notice what God does. He calls him on his words, and it will show us all that God knows more than Satan.



God: "Okay, do not kill him, but you may have your way with him."

This would go on twice, and in that we learned all this.


"God knowing more than Satan, is an important thing to know, Biblically.

Another thing is God sets limits on Satan, that is important and good to know, Biblically.

Another thing to know is Job's wife is never killed. That as you mentioned is a rather Christian, meaning post Christ view. The man and woman are one.

Another thing to know is what it means in terms of knowledge to see God, Biblically. "Now that I have seen you Job said, I recant."

""Job recanted, because he knew what took place in heaven between God and Satan, with God showing up Satan twice, using himself Job, to show Satan and all of us, that God knows more about a person than Satan does. Job could only write all of Job, by seeing God. In that transaction, Job learned all that had happened just by seeing God, so like Paul, it is the first indication that seeing God imparts knowledge of God.""

Another important thing to know, is all that Job had was doubled, after God did that big thing to pass down to all of us about Satan and the limitations of Satan, including his children. Thus it is a very clear indication that the children killed on earth are still alive somewhere, as God only replaced the number of children he originally had on earth, but doubled everything else.

Another important point, is God told us to ignore what two of Job's friends said, but not the third.

Another important point is God forgave the two friends for Job's benefit, so Job would still have those two friends in this world."

Job may also be about God's ultimate desire, with Satan, or my wish for God's ultimate end after the lake of Sulpher for the Beast and for Satan.

Yes, he is cast in the lake of Sulfur to be tormented day and night forever. It says that.

Personally, I can not get it out of my mind, for Satan to be again what he once was, which was good.

It is illogical for that which is created, to say to the Creator, I rebel against you. And nothing is impossible for God. Plus although God says He can destroy both body and soul in Hell, He does not say that He will destroy any one of us, or even Satan.

So, my hope after all of you are with God, loving, and being loved, by God, is for Satan and all those who rebelled against God, to get it right, and somehow be made right with God again.

Why should God, have to give up anything that He made? Why?

Your sermon has many beautiful and thoughtful points. You asked the question of why evil. It is because humans are lazy. You might ask why good. It is because humans are lazy.

You might say if good and evil are both because humans are lazy, the what is the reason for both of them to exist.

The reason is, to cause humans to search for God. Both evil and good, cause humans to search for God.

LOVE,
 
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I need to work on the "ums." Perhaps slow down a bit. I suppose, I want to talk as quick as my thoughts.

Hi,

Your delivery speed is perfect. It is you. Your style of speech is perfect. Your content is good, and that is all I listened to.

Please consider being less self aware, as your criticism of you may be unjustified, and remember this, what your ears hear is a mixture of internal sounds and what your voice sounds like to the rest of the world, which is quite quite pleasant by the way.

Hearing somewhat of what others hear, as voice recordings are never perfect, startles most people, as it is merely different than what you hear internally.

Your criticism of your ums, is unfounded.

Your criticism of your voice is unfounded.

Your lack of criticism on your content, is well founded.

Keep up the good work, focus still on content, and not on you.

LOVE,
 
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I should record the audio to our next meeting and post it. You will suffer through long silences are we puff away on our pipes but once in a while a gem is tossed out.
 
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If you're a Baptist you can also use..."in closing." I've heard that line a million times and the sermon goes on and on and on. lol
Yes, I'll try to mix in the so's, but keep the delivery and such my own. I am going to try to retain introductions and conclusions, as it promotes memory. Thanks for the kind works Katerinah!
 
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Last night was all economic theory. No theology. Canadian Federal election is coming up...

Love election night. Municipal, provincial, federal. Even if I don't care who wins it's like a sporting event to me. Always entertaining. Unless it's a blowout. But it's looking to be pretty tight so I'm excited.
 
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