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Intelligent Design's research impact on science

Ophiolite

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Based on the blowback from you guys I believe I've struck a nerve (pun intended).
You came late to the beatdown, so you don't know how it started.
How it started is irrelevant. Knowing repetition of fanciful,provocative nonsense is crude, unseemly and discourteous. End of!
 
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In the third world infant mortality rates have dropped dramatically but in recent years infant mortality has actually increased in the USA. I suspect that this is influenced strongly by the highly inflated cost of medical care and the lack of effective and efficient medical insurance in the USA.
 
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How it started is irrelevant. Knowing repetition of fanciful,provocative nonsense is crude, unseemly and discourteous. End of!

Go back, check it out. Then do some research on my ideas. You might be surprised.
 
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"It's obvious" is not a strong argument it's a weak one. It more often than not reflects the user's prejudice in stead of good argument.
It's in the same category as "common sense", "a child can see it" or " it' just logical".
A good scientific argument refers to data or to a strict deduction (preferably a mathematical one).
Please reread Ophiolite's excellent post with this in mind.
Intelligent Design's research impact on science
 
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Go back, check it out. Then do some research on my ideas. You might be surprised.
No. If you think there is something of value then provide a concise description of the idea accompanied by relevant citations to research published in peer reviewed articles. In other words provide a technical argument, not the sort of argument that is the equivalent of a bar-room brawl and that typifies your usual standards.
 
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That's harsh man.

You should be happy that some agree that the earth is very old.
It is not a matter of being happy. It's a matter of advancing or holding up scientific education, scientific progress and the benefits of this scientific progress.
If you can show an existing theory or hypothesis wrong, but really show it, with empirical evidence, the scientific community will gladly reject the wrong theory or hypothesis. Nobody is advanced by clinging to a falsehood. But that requires knowledge, expert level knowledge.
The actual situation is that a creationists are trying by many means (educational boards, disrupting behaviour in class, censoring text books) to stop the teaching of Evilution (*). While doing research and educating the next generation of scientists is a huge task in itself, a lot of energy goes now into minimizing the damaging effect of creationists of all flavours.


(*) Evilution: all sciences that somehow offend the creationists, including, but not limited to: biology, embriology, geology, astronomy, astrophysics, nuclear physics, thermodynamics, sedimentology, glaciology, dendrochronology, plate tectonics, paleontology, archeology, geophysics, comparative anatomy, genetics, biochemistry.

edit: if someone knows another name for this, please make suggestions for improvement.
 
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An atheist has to believe in evolution; club rules. Believers have no such requirement.
Old Wise Guy is dead wrong in his post, but I'm not exactly happy with HitchSlap's answer either.
Being an atheist is like being a non smoker, you are defined by not doing/believing something. But just like there is no club of non smokers, there isn't no club of atheist, hence no club rules.
i'll use the non smoker analogy a little bit longer: a lot of people don't smoke because it's damaging of the health. But nothing impose a non smoker of being moderate with alcohol, or sugar or fat. Being a non smoker does not impose this.
In the same way, being an atheist does not impose to be rational. Atheists are free to believe what ever they want, even if it is irrational (Fred Hoyle, Lyssenko), they are just defined by not believing in a deity.
Of course, the people posting here have a strong interest in science, and will advocate for scientific integrity, but it's not a requirement for atheists world wide.
 
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The lives of creationists are dominated by the need for absolute certainty. Religious beliefs provide just that sort of certainty. In the case of fundamentalist Christianity the only way to achieve such certainty is to view the bible as inerrant and to be read literally. The theory of evolution, in that it challenges a literal understanding of the creation story in Genesis, is thereby regarded as the thin edge of the wedge. Much of orthodox Christian theology is based upon the theory of original sin. This theory, of course, is another interpretation of the Genesis creation story. If Genesis falls so much else falls with it. That is the source of the creationists' fear and why they oppose evolution so vehemently, even to the point of sometimes using fraud and outright lies in their defensive tactics.
 
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How do you find the time for this stuff?

Any impact ID and related ideas have on science education is pretty minimal in Europe (I think). I don't know if that is any different in the US or Canada.
 
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The lives of creationists are dominated by the need for absolute certainty. Religious beliefs provide just that sort of certainty.

I don't think that kind of thinking is limited to the religious, I reckon it's more of a personality type thing or perhaps socially constructed.
 
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There are a quite a few academics who lean towards or just fully embrace the idea that leaving the hunter-gatherer lifestyle was mankind's greatest mistake.
 
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I think chronic stress is an underlying factor. Seems to be a fairly widespread feature of life in the US.
 
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That is the source of the creationists' fear and why they oppose evolution so vehemently, even to the point of sometimes using fraud and outright lies in their defensive tactics.
On the global scale we quite happily lie to our enemies and potential enemies. We told many lies to Hitler in WWII. I do find it a little unsettling that, perhaps, some creationists view me as akin to Hitler.
 
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We're over two-thirds into 2019 and still no 2019 papers published in Bio-Complexity. This time last year, they had already published 3 (of 4 total) for 2018.

Meanwhile, the Journal of Evolutionary Biology had 9 research papers alone published this month.

It's just not fair... :/
 
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Man, what a blast from the past. I knew that ID was finished when in order to make it look like they actually had research going on, they just pasted any publication by anyone associated with Bio-Complexity in any way on the site, whether it had to do with ID or not.
Actually, I knew ID was a farce well before that.
 
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