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* cough * So I noticed in the * cough cough * above conversation.I have no problem understanding, that is your problem.
* cough * So I noticed in the * cough cough * above conversation.
I literally spelled it out for you, and you still don't get it.
Not hardly.Creationism and ID is one and the same for all practical purposes.
* cough * So I noticed in the * cough cough * above conversation.
I literally spelled it out for you, and you still don't get it.
Not hardly.
If they are one and the same for all practical purposes, then why did some have to pluto the term in order to inject science into it?
I mean, they could have even called it "creationism with benefits," but they didn't.
They gave it a whole new term.
And I submit they are not one and the same.
Of course, when dealing with people who think miracles and magic are one and the same, and who think faith is something people believe in, even though they know it isn't so; then I can understand their error.
Really?What you submit is in error.
I don't need to know science.VirOptimus said:The fundamental error on your part is that you have zero understanding of science and what it entails.
I didn't make up the term, chief.VirOptimus said:Your sophistery and misuse of terms do not impress.
As I said, I'm not gong to repeat the same mistake that the Discovery Institute made.VirOptimus said:This is a science forum, use scientific arguments if you want to be taken seriously.
BOOOOOOM! Congratulations, You won the Internet today!Neither could the Christian judge in the Dover trial.
....because it's simpy repackaged creationism...Intelligent Design, as would Creationism, lost that trial because it was ruled that Intelligent Design is not science.
Ah, so let's come up with a lie so that when we show them the truth they will accept it. Good plan.You shouldn't be so scathing. ID was invented specifically to "soften up" atheists for the kind of biblical creationism you put so much stock in.
No, they're not.Creationism and ID is one and the same for all practical purposes. Just because you personaly dislike something doesnt make it something it isnt.
No, they're not.
Creationism accepts that the Lord made man in his own image; that the six day creation is a literal fact and that sickness and death came into the world though Adam's sin.
ID pretends that God had a hand in guiding the evolution of the world but that He had no direct action after the initial first cause. It attempts to compromise truth (creation) with a lie (evolution) and the result is of course a lie.
Rearranging letters; creationism >> cdesign proponentsists >> intelligent design, doesn't make it any more scientific.Wow.
You guys love to yak yourself out of understanding things, don't you?
Either that, or you yak until a mistake is made, then the whole point is made into spaghetti.
Intelligent Design is not ... that is not ... en oh tee ... Intelligent Design is not Creationism.
Intelligent Design is an attempt ... an attempt ... a tee tee e em pee tee ... an attempt to inject some kind of science into Creationism.
Some judge ruled correctly that the science that was trying to be snuck into Creationism does not belong there.
Let's simplify this for Occam razor's sake, shall we?
Here it comes ... get ready:
Intelligent Design is not Creationism.
You can argue otherwise if you want to, but it doesn't make it so.
Lol. Will you be publishing soon?That's interesting. I haven't looked deeply at ID. My very cursory understanding was that all of the natural world showed ID because of how everything works and that it couldn't have happened by accident.
I thought theistic evolution was the thought process where God created the evolutionary process and set evolution in order.
I'm not doubting you on this cause like I said I never really looked into the deep philosophy of ID.
I use I'd a lot in my arguments with evolutionists. But like I said I come at it that creation shows ID because of how everything works and it could not have happened by evolution.
Why shouldn't "faith" get in the way? Isn't it reasonable to have good reasons for believing or accepting something?Creationism runs on faith.
Is that why you're having trouble understanding?
Faith is getting in the way, isn't it?
The natural world does show design in everything; from the colors of the flowers to the intricacies of a complex eye. The difference is that ID denies things that are foundational. The six day creation is restated in Exodus when Moses received the ten commandments among other laces. Adam and Even are referenced by Christ in describing marriage and divorce. Adam's sin and the fall of man show the sinful nature of man and his need for a savior. The Great Flood shows the wrath of God against sin and corruption and reiterates that the wages of sin are death. Jesus even said that if you didn't believe what Moses wrote you would not believe in what He taught.That's interesting. I haven't looked deeply at ID. My very cursory understanding was that all of the natural world showed ID because of how everything works and that it couldn't have happened by accident.
Not hardly.
If they are one and the same for all practical purposes, then why did some have to pluto the term in order to inject science into it?
I mean, they could have even called it "creationism with benefits," but they didn't.
And I submit they are not one and the same.
That's interesting. I haven't looked deeply at ID. My very cursory understanding was that all of the natural world showed ID because of how everything works and that it couldn't have happened by accident.
I thought theistic evolution was the thought process where God created the evolutionary process and set evolution in order.
I'm not doubting you on this cause like I said I never really looked into the deep philosophy of ID.
I use I'd a lot in my arguments with evolutionists. But like I said I come at it that creation shows ID because of how everything works and it could not have happened by evolution.
The natural world does show design in everything; from the colors of the flowers to the intricacies of a complex eye. The difference is that ID denies things that are foundational. The six day creation is restated in Exodus when Moses received the ten commandments among other laces. Adam and Even are referenced by Christ in describing marriage and divorce. Adam's sin and the fall of man show the sinful nature of man and his need for a savior. The Great Flood shows the wrath of God against sin and corruption and reiterates that the wages of sin are death. Jesus even said that if you didn't believe what Moses wrote you would not believe in what He taught.
The lost and godless proclaim that the Bible is full of myth and contradictions. They latch onto things that they don't understand to discredit it; like saying that Genesis 2 is a contradictory creation account when anyone reading it knows that it describes the formation of man which was done on day six. ID denies all of this and continues the narrative that Adam and Eve, if they existed at all, were born to the last of the non human progenitors.
The flood is critical. How are we to believe that God will destroy the world in the future if we deny that He destroyed it in the past? The flood is the only time when each kind of animal was reduced to one breeding couple (or more in some cases). All speciation emanates from them. That is the commonality. Common descent is not universal. It has its origins some 4,500 years in the past.
My sentiments exactly.The arrogance of those least informed; I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
Tl;drMy sentiments exactly.
It's sad to think that there are still people in this world so deluded as to believe that we live in a strictly physical existence; that there is neither consequence of evil nor reward for altruism. They cannot see the true wonder of the world around them. They don't know peace because they deny the Prince of Peace. They find their escape through alcohol and drugs rather than in communion with the Creator. The deny the history of man with his creator and scoff at those who came before who now are merely worm food.
They who call themselves the best informed are the least informed. They who brag at their knowledge of physical things know nothing else. The testimony of those who have encountered entities great and malevolent they discard as prattle. The changing grace of Christ their eyes cannot behold. The world they think they live in does not exist. Our existence in this world is temporary at best; a brief transience to determine our worth in eternity. Humble themselves before God? Not hardly.
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