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Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible?

Look up these verses:
- Exodus 35:2 - God demands that we kill everyone who works on the Sabbath day.
- Deuteronomy 21:18-21 - God demands that we kill disobedient teenagers.
- Leviticus 20:13 - God demands the death of homosexuals.
- Deuteronomy 22:12-21 - God demands that we kill girls who are not virgins when they marry.
And so on. There are lots of verses like these...

It doesn't make any sense, does it? Why would a loving God want us to murder our fellow human beings over such trivial matters?

Just because you work on the wrong day of the week, you must die?

That makes no sense, does it? In fact, if you think about it, you realize that it is insane.


If anyone can answer this question for me and I also have many more that are causing me to question my beliefs.

 

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Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible?


No one is innocent not even one - all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

- Exodus 35:2 - God demands that we kill everyone who works on the Sabbath day.

35:1 Moses assembled the whole community of the Israelites and said to them, “These are the things that the Lord has commanded you to do. 35:2 In six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there must be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of complete rest to the Lord. Anyone who does work on it will be put to death.

The command was given to the Israelite community. Are you a Jew? There are principles of rest and devotion that us Gentiles can draw from this. But the sabbath was made for the benefit of man not man for the sabbath. We do not live in a theocracy and this theocracy served a particular purpose one of which was to demonstrate the inability of law to save. True righteousness comes from within.

- Deuteronomy 21:18-21 - God demands that we kill disobedient teenagers.

21:18 If a person has a stubborn, rebellious son who pays no attention to his father or mother, and they discipline him to no avail, 21:19 his father and mother must seize him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his city. 21:20 They must declare to the elders of his city, “Our son is stubborn and rebellious and pays no attention to what we say – he is a glutton and drunkard.” 21:21 Then all the men of his city must stone him to death. In this way you will purge out wickedness from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid.

Again the principle of honouring a parent is something a Gentile can agree with. Different societies have different ways of making sure people learn this. In the Israelite theocracy the solution was similar to Islam today and probably just as effective in terms of external compliance but not at generating true love and honour for parents.

- Leviticus 20:13 - God demands the death of homosexuals.

"‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

The principle is clear and the intensity of the language makes it doubly clear. Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. This sentiment i also repeated elsewhere in scripture. Let him who is without sexual sin cast the first stone. A democratic approach to this will be different to a theocratic one. Ancient Israelite society did not have the options of a well developed prison service or medical service and could not have afforded these. If something was wrong and sent the wrong message to the community as a whole it was generally punishable by death.

- Deuteronomy 22:12-21 - God demands that we kill girls who are not virgins when they marry.

22:13 Suppose a man marries a woman, has sexual relations with her, and then rejects her, 22:14 accusing her of impropriety and defaming her reputation by saying, “I married this woman but when I had sexual relations with her I discovered she was not a virgin!” 22:15 Then the father and mother of the young woman must produce the evidence of virginity for the elders of the city at the gate. 22:16 The young woman’s father must say to the elders, “I gave my daughter to this man and he has rejected her. 22:17 Moreover, he has raised accusations of impropriety by saying, ‘I discovered your daughter was not a virgin,’ but this is the evidence of my daughter’s virginity!” The cloth must then be spread out before the city’s elders. 22:18 The elders of that city must then seize the man and punish him. 22:19 They will fine him one hundred shekels of silver and give them to the young woman’s father, for the man who made the accusation ruined the reputation of an Israelite virgin. She will then become his wife and he may never divorce her as long as he lives.
22:20 But if the accusation is true and the young woman was not a virgin, 22:21 the men of her city must bring the young woman to the door of her father’s house and stone her to death, for she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by behaving like a prostitute while living in her father’s house. In this way you will purge evil from among you.

Again a law given to the Israelite community and without any other serious options of social correction being available. It sounds extreme and it was but that what was necessary to send the correct signals to the community. You are not a Jew, live in a society where more options are available and do not live in a theocracy. But the principle that sex is for marriage is a sound one reiterated throughout scripture. One only has to look at the levels of divorce , abortion and sexual disease throughout the Western world to see the soundness of this principle. IN a way we have learnt not to kill the person who commits the sin but the innocent child that is a consequence of it. Or sometimes the sinner is the one who dies because of Aids or they end up paying for the sin with a failed marriage.

It doesn't make any sense, does it? Why would a loving God want us to murder our fellow human beings over such trivial matters?

Are they trivial matters - were they in the actual context of these verses?

Just because you work on the wrong day of the week, you must die?

No because people flouted Gods law in a way that damaged the community of Israelites abd dishonoured God is why people were executed for this.

That makes no sense, does it? In fact, if you think about it, you realize that it is insane.
If anyone can answer this question for me and I also have many more that are causing me to question my beliefs.

Depends on who you believe is the bench mark of Sanity in this world. Some divorcee, who killed her innocent child and enjoyed playing around before and after marriage and could never really be trusted as a faithful spouse. Some one who has no time simply to sit with God and enjoy His presence, someone who allows their kids to run wild and provides no discipline whatsoever that may guide them into the future.

Which is madness to follow the world or God?
 
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Also, remember that these people did not have a Savior at this point to cover their sins and that they were chosen as God's Holy People, and were held accountable for each other's sins at this time. They were judged as a community. So, they had to make sure all individuals were upholding God'd law.

On a side note: God does not mind your questions and He can lead you better than anyone. Even in your doubts, ask Him why and continue to pursue the answers. I believe He will help you understand His ways, but remember that God;s ways are Higher than our ways. Be blessed.
 
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Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible?

Look up these verses:
- Exodus 35:2 - God demands that we kill everyone who works on the Sabbath day.
- Deuteronomy 21:18-21 - God demands that we kill disobedient teenagers.
- Leviticus 20:13 - God demands the death of homosexuals.
- Deuteronomy 22:12-21 - God demands that we kill girls who are not virgins when they marry.
And so on. There are lots of verses like these...

It doesn't make any sense, does it? Why would a loving God want us to murder our fellow human beings over such trivial matters?

Just because you work on the wrong day of the week, you must die?

That makes no sense, does it? In fact, if you think about it, you realize that it is insane.


If anyone can answer this question for me and I also have many more that are causing me to question my beliefs.

what part of God character is God teaching man ..... His holiness and righteousness are true also ...

Man is not innocent.... but sinners ... romans 3


God is not liable to save anyone... romans 9:20-24
 
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Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible?

Look up these verses:
- Exodus 35:2 - God demands that we kill everyone who works on the Sabbath day.
- Deuteronomy 21:18-21 - God demands that we kill disobedient teenagers.
- Leviticus 20:13 - God demands the death of homosexuals.
- Deuteronomy 22:12-21 - God demands that we kill girls who are not virgins when they marry.
And so on. There are lots of verses like these...

It doesn't make any sense, does it? Why would a loving God want us to murder our fellow human beings over such trivial matters?

Just because you work on the wrong day of the week, you must die?

That makes no sense, does it? In fact, if you think about it, you realize that it is insane.

If anyone can answer this question for me and I also have many more that are causing me to question my beliefs.
Excellent questions! Those would be answered best by the Jews since it is their OC Scriptures.:wave:

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7245527
 
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Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible?.

It doesn't make any sense, does it? Why would a loving God want us to murder our fellow human beings over such trivial matters?

Indeed - why?

Asda you are stepping into that area called maturity and along with maturity comes the painful reality that we must leave the things of our youth behind.

I guess your unspoken question might go something like this. If God is the loving God we have been taught to accept, a God whom we can call Abba, where does all this mayhem fit in? What is it's purpose?

I'm not going to try to answer that - it would demand a thesis all of its own - so don't think you will get a quick and easy answer. But there are a couple of avenues which might be woorth exploring.

The stories of the OT all happened as much as 4000 years ago (and beyond, depending on where one might draw the line) - when things were not quite so civilised. (Of course, looking around the world today one might ask - what's changed - but that's another matter). So there is an aspect here which might indicate that we humans were a pretty lawless lot and in many aspect we where. But something called 'law' did emerge out of the smoke and dust of the past. Retribution was, through the 'law', limited - even though by today's standards the penalities where still pretty horrific. In this we might say things were relative - that is, pertaining to the standards of the times.

The people of Israel decided, by one method or another, to adopt a set of laws which served to distinguish them from their neighbours. Moses was instrumental in initiating this task, but it continued for many centuries. While the penalities under the Law might challenge our present day sensibilities, the Law was a huge advance on what was on offer at the time. It called for penalities that where alike with the crime. Thus we hear of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth - no one could go beyond the initial crime. In other words, if I had a fight and broke someone's arm then all that could happen to me was that I would receive a broken arm - my kith and kin did not get slaughtered by some bloody act of retribution.

The Law of Israel also had some pretty stringent conditions attached to it concerning how it fitted together socially. At its centre was the acceptance of one God - a God that had no other gods. This was unique among the annuals of human society and to maintain this strict oneness this God was perceived as being jealous of all activities which might jeapodise that particular concept - thus some of the pretty scary events that unfolded throughtout the history of Israel were to do with the protection of this Monothestic belief. Such events were under what Christians call the old coveneant - an agreement stretching back to God and Abram.

Jesus spoke about a new covenant - one that freed Israel form the Law - all 613 of them - laws that had to do with worship, attendance and sacrifice.

Of concern here is just how you decided, eventually, to treat the Bible. Is it the irrefutable Word of God or a collection of stories and legends that point to some higher purpose? This is an angonising time for all have confronted this situation - a matter of faith - just how do I interrupt the Bible? But, as someone once said, faith without doubt is no faith at all.
 
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Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible?

Look up these verses:
- Exodus 35:2 - God demands that we kill everyone who works on the Sabbath day.
- Deuteronomy 21:18-21 - God demands that we kill disobedient teenagers.
- Leviticus 20:13 - God demands the death of homosexuals.
- Deuteronomy 22:12-21 - God demands that we kill girls who are not virgins when they marry.
And so on. There are lots of verses like these...

It doesn't make any sense, does it? Why would a loving God want us to murder our fellow human beings over such trivial matters?

Just because you work on the wrong day of the week, you must die?

That makes no sense, does it? In fact, if you think about it, you realize that it is insane.


If anyone can answer this question for me and I also have many more that are causing me to question my beliefs.




You are concerned with the death of people (not their happiness or well being) because of these seemingly outrageous and cruel laws, but ask youself this:

If these laws were enforced today, in 2008, how many more people would be saved as a result? How much less human misery would there be on planet earth? To answer this you'll need to summon an incredible amount of honesty. Good luck. :p

Example: For every homosexual put to death perhaps up to ten other people; men, women, and children, that have perished because of AIDS spread by homosexuals, would be alive today.

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I agree with the earlier posts in that the immolation and death of Jesus appeased the anger of Our Heavenly Father......and the re-enactment of this sacrifice in the daily Holy Mass continues to appease Him......when the abomination of desolation comes (i.e. the removal of the Holy Words of consecration in the Sacrifice of the Mass making the bread and wine desolate of Our Lord's presence).......look out!

We are experiencing His wrath, already.....and after the abomination of desolation....we can expect the 'Day of the Lord'.
 
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