Instructive Comparisons #14

[WAB]

INSTRUCTIVE COMPARISONS #14​

Re: Enabling To Preach The Gospel…
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1 Thessalonians 1:5... “For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance…”

1 Peter 1:12... “To them (the prophets of verse 10) it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us/you they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven…”

Note that the “our” in 1 Thess. 1:5 refers back to the opening verse, where Paul states that it was himself, Silvanus/Silas and Timothy who were writing this epistle to the ekklesi’a (church, meeting, assembly) of the Thessalonians.

Silvanus/Silas was Paul’s companion on his second missionary journey, and was originally part of the early congregation at Jerusalem. He was also a Roman citizen, as was Paul; and of course Silas was a Jew who had come to faith in the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

It is interesting/informative, that Silas was apparently the scribe used by Peter to write Peter’s first epistle, as set forth in 1 Peter 5:12... “By Silvanus (Silas), our faithful brother as I consider him, I have written to you briefly…”

So… without going into much more detail, we can see that Paul was in agreement/fellowship with Silas as to the gospel they preached while Silas accompanied Paul on the second missionary journey.

And… obviously, Peter and Silas were in agreement/fellowship at the time of the writing of Peter’s First Epistle.

When we include the fact that it was the Holy Spirit who enabled both Paul and Peter to preach the gospel that each of them preached in the hearing/fellowship of Silas, who was obviously in agreement with the gospel that both Peter and Paul preached, the only logical, or biblical, conclusion one can come to is that both Peter and Paul preached the same gospel.

Shalom… WAB

 

[eph3Nine]

INSTRUCTIVE COMPARISONS #14​

Re: Enabling To Preach The Gospel…​

1 Thessalonians 1:5... “For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance…”

1 Peter 1:12... “To them (the prophets of verse 10) it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us/you they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven…”

Note that the “our” in 1 Thess. 1:5 refers back to the opening verse, where Paul states that it was himself, Silvanus/Silas and Timothy who were writing this epistle to the ekklesi’a (church, meeting, assembly) of the Thessalonians.

Silvanus/Silas was Paul’s companion on his second missionary journey, and was originally part of the early congregation at Jerusalem. He was also a Roman citizen, as was Paul; and of course Silas was a Jew who had come to faith in the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

It is interesting/informative, that Silas was apparently the scribe used by Peter to write Peter’s first epistle, as set forth in 1 Peter 5:12... “By Silvanus (Silas), our faithful brother as I consider him, I have written to you briefly…”

So… without going into much more detail, we can see that Paul was in agreement/fellowship with Silas as to the gospel they preached while Silas accompanied Paul on the second missionary journey.

And… obviously, Peter and Silas were in agreement/fellowship at the time of the writing of Peter’s First Epistle.

When we include the fact that it was the Holy Spirit who enabled both Paul and Peter to preach the gospel that each of them preached in the hearing/fellowship of Silas, who was obviously in agreement with the gospel that both Peter and Paul preached, the only logical, or biblical, conclusion one can come to is that both Peter and Paul preached the same gospel.

Shalom… WAB

Baloney...one was a minister to the circumcision with the message of the KINGDOM/jewish/law of Moses, and one preached the gospel of the UNcirmcumcision/mystery revealed/Body of Christ.

You cant seem to get out of the same revolving door....LOL.

They were NOT the same gospel. They were given two names for a REASON. Things that are different are NOT the same.

Now go play elsewhere.

 

[WAB]

Baloney...one was a minister to the circumcision with the message of the KINGDOM/jewish/law of Moses, and one preached the gospel of the UNcirmcumcision/mystery revealed/Body of Christ.

You cant seem to get out of the same revolving door....LOL.

They were NOT the same gospel. They were given two names for a REASON. Things that are different are NOT the same.

Now go play elsewhere.

Well, I must concede this much... You are certainly consistent. Consistent that is, in using statements unsupported by Scripture, and consistent in resorting to personal attacks against anyone who presents Scriptural evidence that contradicts your hyper-dispy position.

Consistent also, in violating your own repeated promises to "IGNORE" my posts. (However, you may ignore this one).

The "revolving door" comment works both ways...

You do make one statement of fact... "Things that are different are NOT the same." Agreed. But since the gospel that Peter preached was/is the same gospel that Paul preached; and since it was the Holy Spirit who enabled them both... they (the gospels) ARE the same.

Of course your sign-off says volumes... you consider any theological position that contradicts hyper-dispensationalism to be "play"... and you consider this area of the forums to be your territory, and no contradictory opinions are allowed!

Since both you and your cohorts reject anything written in the New Testament/Covenant by anyone other than Paul as being outside of the "mystery" revealed to/by him (and here I must state that I revere everything that Paul wrote as being the revealed word of God), here are two short excerpts from the Revelation given to the Apostle John...

2:17a... "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches..." (KJV)

And now 22:18,19, from the NKJV just to avoid gender exclusive inference... "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book:If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

 

[eph3Nine]

Sigh...again ...you show your ignorance of what program God is currently IN today. Revelation is written to Israel in ages to COME and has NOTHING to do with we the church the Body of Christ. Plagues and prophecy....all things belonging to Israels program...and you cant see it for the nose on yer face.

 

[WAB]

Sigh...again ...you show your ignorance of what program God is currently IN today. Revelation is written to Israel in ages to COME and has NOTHING to do with we the church the Body of Christ. Plagues and prophecy....all things belonging to Israels program...and you cant see it for the nose on yer face.

If the Revelation given to John is for "...ages to COME..." then it would be superfluous for John to write...
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches..."

And then John named seven churches which were in existence at the time of his writing, but several of which are not now in existence, and obviously will not be around "in ages to come."

You ignore these scriptures at your own peril.

Edited to add the obvious fact that the churches John wrote to were in GENTILE lands, not Israel, most of which came about through the ministry of Paul.

 

[Kimberlyann]

I would like to add that we are promised a blessing if we read or hear, the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit says to the churches.


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1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants--things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.
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[WAB]

I would like to add that we are promised a blessing if we read or hear, the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit says to the churches.



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1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants--things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

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Amen, from one who has received the promised blessing quite a few times...

 

[eph3Nine]

Might I remind yall that as members of the body of Christ we HAVE all spiritual blessings in heavenly places.

Both of you should be more interested in understanding what the scripture is saying, and to whom, than in getting blessings that God says are already YOURS.

 

[WAB]

Might I remind yall that as members of the body of Christ we HAVE all spiritual blessings in heavenly places.

Both of you should be more interested in understanding what the scripture is saying, and to whom, than in getting blessings that God says are already YOURS.

True... in a generic sense. But the blessing referred to is specific; and is a result of one's reading the Revelation of Jesus Christ as penned by the Apostle John while in exile on the Isle of Patmos.

 

[Kimberlyann]

Well, you can't understand Revelation without reading it. My question is, why wouldn't anyone want to get the promised blessing and just read the book?

 

[WAB]

Well, you can't understand Revelation without reading it. My question is, why wouldn't anyone want to get the promised blessing and just read the book?

The answer to that is really simple from the hyper-dispy perspective... it wasn't written by Paul.

Shalom... WAB

 

[Kimberlyann]

That's one thing I don't understand about dispensationalism. It seems like they don't regard anything other than what Paul says.

Chuck Missler wrote,

Even though the Bible is composed of 66 books penned by 40 separate authors over thousands of years, upon careful inspection it proves to be an integrated message, evidencing careful and skillful design which transcends those centuries and even our ability to synthesize using sophisticated computers.

The Bible authenticates itself by demonstrating that the origin of this message is from outside our dimension of time. The Old Testament lays the foundation for the New Testament. It portrays the predicament of man and the means by which his predicament will ultimately be resolved. It chronicles the origin, the mission, and the ultimate destiny of Israel as Gods vehicle to accomplish his broader redemptive purpose. Through a sequence of explicit and sometimes cryptic prophecies, the Old Testament further reveals the Coming One through whom mankind's redemption would be accomplished. As one gains a more complete grasp of the whole, one realizes that every detail- every number, place name, even subtleties of the structure of the text- is the result of skillful design. When this strategic integrity of the whole is grasped, the entire panorama is brought into focus. It has been said, " The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed, and the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed."

 

[WAB]

That's one thing I don't understand about dispensationalism. It seems like they don't regard anything other than what Paul says.

Chuck Missler wrote,

Even though the Bible is composed of 66 books penned by 40 separate authors over thousands of years, upon careful inspection it proves to be an integrated message, evidencing careful and skillful design which transcends those centuries and even our ability to synthesize using sophisticated computers.

The Bible authenticates itself by demonstrating that the origin of this message is from outside our dimension of time. The Old Testament lays the foundation for the New Testament. It portrays the predicament of man and the means by which his predicament will ultimately be resolved. It chronicles the origin, the mission, and the ultimate destiny of Israel as Gods vehicle to accomplish his broader redemptive purpose. Through a sequence of explicit and sometimes cryptic prophecies, the Old Testament further reveals the Coming One through whom mankind's redemption would be accomplished. As one gains a more complete grasp of the whole, one realizes that every detail- every number, place name, even subtleties of the structure of the text- is the result of skillful design. When this strategic integrity of the whole is grasped, the entire panorama is brought into focus. It has been said, " The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed, and the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed."

Chuck is right here... but the reason hyper-dispys don't regard anything other than what Paul wrote, is that their position is torn to shreds when what Peter, John, James, the author of Hebrews (who I believe to have been Paul), or even Luke is taken in context.

Shalom... WAB

 

[eph3Nine]

Patoooooey!

 

[WAB]

Patoooooey!

Now there is an intellectually satisfying response!

 

[eph3Nine]

Not interested in satisfying anyones INTELLECT...but in appealing to their MINDS in acknowledging Gods REVEALED MYSTERY plan and the dispensation of the GRACE of God, instead of rambling on about a program God set ASIDE.

 

[WAB]

Not interested in satisfying anyones INTELLECT...but in appealing to their MINDS in acknowledging Gods REVEALED MYSTERY plan and the dispensation of the GRACE of God, instead of rambling on about a program God set ASIDE.

Not only do you construct a false dichotomy between the gospel that Peter preached and the gospel that Paul preached...

Now you are "rightly dividing" "INTELLECT" from "MIND"...