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Inherited Sin?

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This is somethign that has bothered me when it comes to Christianity.

According to Christianity, all men are born sinners as it is inherited from Adam and Eve. But why? First of all punishing all the generations thereof for them hardly seems the act of a caring god even if he did give us a way out but this is my main beef.

It makes no sense that ALL men are born sinners. Sin is inherited, apparently but if a man and a woman who had just confessed and were sinless concieved a child and the woman was sinless during her pregnancy, shouldn't that baby be born sinless? The only way sin could be in that baby is if God himself gave it to the baby and in turn making it appear as if living was a sin.
 

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Sin is inherited, apparently but if a man and a woman who had just confessed and were sinless concieved a child and the woman was sinless during her pregnancy, shouldn't that baby be born sinless? The only way sin could be in that baby is if God himself gave it to the baby and in turn making it appear as if living was a sin.

Confession does not remove the sin nature from either the man or the woman. The sin nature is not inherited when ones father or mother sins it is something that comes with the knowledge of Good and Evil in faulty human beings.

The child will sin eventually when the age of innocence is past.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
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This is somethign that has bothered me when it comes to Christianity.

According to Christianity, all men are born sinners as it is inherited from Adam and Eve. But why? First of all punishing all the generations thereof for them hardly seems the act of a caring god even if he did give us a way out but this is my main beef.

It makes no sense that ALL men are born sinners. Sin is inherited, apparently but if a man and a woman who had just confessed and were sinless concieved a child and the woman was sinless during her pregnancy, shouldn't that baby be born sinless? The only way sin could be in that baby is if God himself gave it to the baby and in turn making it appear as if living was a sin.

When Adam disobeyed God, Adams very spirit(the core of who & what man is) was changed. That change made all men with an inherient problem. Not the acts of sin that is committed but the inward willingness to do so.

Why is not our willingness to commit righteousness instead of sin? Because this is what Adam caused that all men have.

The woman that "sinless" during her pregnancy is not the issue. The issue is that within her is the willingness to sin and to be non accepting of God an His ways in place of our own.

Jesus' work on the cross made a new birth possible, that is why it is called being born again, which recreated the human spirit eliminating the problem within. :)
 
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Dear Jakkaru, bstow said it well, and perhaps I can explain a bit more? When God made Adam and Eve, they were innocent, and God told them not to eat the fruit off the Tree of Knowlrdge. They disobeyed God, and believed the Serpent`s lies. The result we know, they were sent to Earth, away from God. Instead of repenting and rueing their disobedience, they, and all who followed after, moved farther and farther away from God. In time Jesus came, He showed us how God really is, and taught us to learn to love God again, and each other, too. Jesus reconciled us to God, and Jesus will help us to repent, to exchange our selfish and unloving natures, for loving God, and loving and caring for each other, as we love ourselves, selflessly and unconditionally. The Bible, God`s Word, will explain it more thourough, Jakkari, and Jesus our Saviour will lead you and all who follow, back to our real home with God, our Heavenly Father. I say this lovingly and humbly, and send greetings. Emmy, sister in Christ.
 
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This is somethign that has bothered me when it comes to Christianity.

According to Christianity, all men are born sinners as it is inherited from Adam and Eve. But why? First of all punishing all the generations thereof for them hardly seems the act of a caring god even if he did give us a way out but this is my main beef.

It makes no sense that ALL men are born sinners. Sin is inherited, apparently but if a man and a woman who had just confessed and were sinless concieved a child and the woman was sinless during her pregnancy, shouldn't that baby be born sinless? The only way sin could be in that baby is if God himself gave it to the baby and in turn making it appear as if living was a sin.

The sinful nature is inherited.
All man will sin.

It all started with Adam and Eve in the Garden, when they disobeyed God.
It has been downhill ever since then.

Because we sin, we will die (hell).
This is why we need a Savior. (Jesus)
Our Savior will save us from the eternal consequences of sin (hell).

That's why He was born. (Christmas)
He was born to die (Easter)
 
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I think your question is really, why are we being "punished" for the sins of Adam?

Adam represented the entire human race. Meaning, if we were in his place, we would have rebelled against God as well. It's true that man's nature then changed with a willingness to sin, but we are not being "punished" for the sins of Adam. We have all sinned on our own. Again, if we were in the Garden instead of Adam, the result would have been the same.
 
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So in reality, Christians are the same as everyone else but they just have a get out of jail free card? WHy does God come off so arrogant to me...
Get out of jail card free?? Sometimes I wonder where all this stuff comes from. It was not free by any means when God suffered Himself in the flesh for our sins and paid the price to once again let us be free of sin and death.
All mankind is born with the nature to sin and die. Doesn't it look that way to you? All people certainly die but seem to not realize it until just before it happens like it is a curse or something to be denied. Well it is part of a curse that God warned us against, but He has procured salvation for us all with His own works.
Look at the nature of mankind - murder, greed, selfish ego, lust for power and a sense that everyone else is wrong except for ones own ideas. Even infants in their cribs flare red-faced rage over having a toy taken away or scream in anger over any discomfort. We are all born with the selfish sin nature that leads to death and all men have inherited that from Adam.
Now having a "beef" against God for giving us life and then a choice between good and evil doesn't seem very fair, IMO. How else would love exist if there was no choice? Can love exist when it is forced? No, it cannot, it has to be given freely. Evil was risked to have love, and eventually, love will win out over death. We believe that by faith in the face of this world's and our own evil natures because God has given us the power to overcome it through His wrok and power in Christ.
Jesus breaks the bonds of enslavement that sin and death has on mankind with His own one perfect life lived for us. He took upon Himself the sin and death of us all even though He was innocent and did not have the sin nature. Remember, Jesus was born of a virgin and did not inherit the sin nature of Adam, and that is why the miracle of the virgin birth is important to mankind. Because Jesus did not inherit the sin nature, He was able to live the one single life that would make Him the perfect and spotless, innocent sacrifice for sin that the law required in the Old Testament. A like for a life, and He gave His life for all mankind so that we would be set free. That is nopt something to "beef" aga9nst, IMO, but something of wonderful grace to be rejoiced over in thanksgiving!!

1 Corinthians 15:21, 22 So you see, just as death came into the world through a man, Adam, now the resurrection from the dead has begun through another man, Christ. Everyone dies because all of us are related to Adam, the first man. But all who are related to Christ, the other man, will be given new life.
 
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It makes no sense that ALL men are born sinners. Sin is inherited, apparently but if a man and a woman who had just confessed and were sinless concieved a child and the woman was sinless during her pregnancy, shouldn't that baby be born sinless?


there is no escape: ALL of us are sinners. No-one can stand before God sin-free. Every person on earth misses the mark of perfection.
 
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Get out of jail card free?? Sometimes I wonder where all this stuff comes from. It was not free by any means when God suffered Himself in the flesh for our sins and paid the price to once again let us be free of sin and death.
All mankind is born with the nature to sin and die. Doesn't it look that way to you? All people certainly die but seem to not realize it until just before it happens like it is a curse or something to be denied. Well it is part of a curse that God warned us against, but He has procured salvation for us all with His own works.
Look at the nature of mankind - murder, greed, selfish ego, lust for power and a sense that everyone else is wrong except for ones own ideas. Even infants in their cribs flare red-faced rage over having a toy taken away or scream in anger over any discomfort. We are all born with the selfish sin nature that leads to death and all men have inherited that from Adam.
Now having a "beef" against God for giving us life and then a choice between good and evil doesn't seem very fair, IMO. How else would love exist if there was no choice? Can love exist when it is forced? No, it cannot, it has to be given freely. Evil was risked to have love, and eventually, love will win out over death. We believe that by faith in the face of this world's and our own evil natures because God has given us the power to overcome it through His wrok and power in Christ.
Jesus breaks the bonds of enslavement that sin and death has on mankind with His own one perfect life lived for us. He took upon Himself the sin and death of us all even though He was innocent and did not have the sin nature. Remember, Jesus was born of a virgin and did not inherit the sin nature of Adam, and that is why the miracle of the virgin birth is important to mankind. Because Jesus did not inherit the sin nature, He was able to live the one single life that would make Him the perfect and spotless, innocent sacrifice for sin that the law required in the Old Testament. A like for a life, and He gave His life for all mankind so that we would be set free. That is nopt something to "beef" aga9nst, IMO, but something of wonderful grace to be rejoiced over in thanksgiving!!

1 Corinthians 15:21, 22 So you see, just as death came into the world through a man, Adam, now the resurrection from the dead has begun through another man, Christ. Everyone dies because all of us are related to Adam, the first man. But all who are related to Christ, the other man, will be given new life.
why is human nature only the bad side? what about the good side? what about humanity? humanity has a place in ou heads, it means compassion, love, kindness, strength honor, humility, redemption, forgiveness, joy, just as much as our character flaws

what about art?



what about the art that people following oter religions not called christianity make? what about the books they write?


what about art by athiests?



as for this human darkside

is it not in nature as well?


dont animals and plants have rutlessness and pain as much as beauty andmaternal instincts, play and camradery?
 
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'There is none that doeth good, no not one!'

This is God's opinion; the opinion that counts!

"Until a man places his faith in Christ his greatest deed are but horrible sins': Thomas Manton

Even for the christian there is no goodness, no righteousness.
When we place our faith in Christ He then covers us with righteousness of His own. We will never be righteous in our own right until we are glorified to enter heaven with Him!

Man is evil, clear to his inner being. God in His great mercy provided a way to save sinners from hell by coming as the Incarnate Christ, dying on the cross for the sins of those who believe in Him, and rose again, ascending to heaven where He resides at the right hand of the Father.

To know Him one must acknowledge they are a sinner, lost and without hope and in need of a Savior. The Holy Spirit regenerates the heart and causes one to see clearly their own sin, to repent and to place their faith in Christ as Savior and Lord of their life and to inherit heaven when they die.
 
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'There is none that doeth good, no not one!'

This is God's opinion; the opinion that counts!

"Until a man places his faith in Christ his greatest deed are but horrible sins': Thomas Manton

Even for the christian there is no goodness, no righteousness.
When we place our faith in Christ He then covers us with righteousness of His own. We will never be righteous in our own right until we are glorified to enter heaven with Him!

Man is evil, clear to his inner being. God in His great mercy provided a way to save sinners from hell by coming as the Incarnate Christ, dying on the cross for the sins of those who believe in Him, and rose again, ascending to heaven where He resides at the right hand of the Father.

To know Him one must acknowledge they are a sinner, lost and without hope and in need of a Savior. The Holy Spirit regenerates the heart and causes one to see clearly their own sin, to repent and to place their faith in Christ as Savior and Lord of their life and to inherit heaven when they die.
why is human nature only the bad side? what about the good side? what about humanity? humanity has a place in ou heads, it means compassion, love, kindness, strength honor, humility, redemption, forgiveness, joy, just as much as our character flaws

what about art?



what about the art that people following oter religions not called christianity make? what about the books they write?


what about art by athiests?



as for this human darkside

is it not in nature as well?


dont animals and plants have rutlessness and pain as much as beauty andmaternal instincts, play and camradery?
 
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Only one man ever lived that met God's standard of perfection and that is Christ, who lived a perfect life and chose to die to pay for the sins of all those who would place their faith in Him as Savior and Lord.

No human, other than Christ ever kept the 10 commandments perfectly. Our very thoughts condemn us constantly. God reads hearts! Would you have Him read your thoughts with gratitude?
 
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why is human nature only the bad side? what about the good side?
We were created in His image. He is a creative being, imaginative, empathetic, merciful, strategic, and loves to communicate and express. Our human nature is to do all these things.

Our sinful nature -- we have a tendency to make decisions without adequate foresight and wisdom.
 
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We were created in His image. He is a creative being, imaginative, empathetic, merciful, strategic, and loves to communicate and express. Our human nature is to do all these things.

Our sinful nature -- we have a tendency to make decisions without adequate foresight and wisdom.
We were created in His image originally, before the fall placed us in spiritual death. All men are spiritually dead, unable to come to Christ or to do what He considers good. They remain spiritually dead until the Holy Spirit quickens them, regenerating their heart and giving them a hunger to know HIm, to repent of their sin and place faith in Jesus Christ as Savior.

'There is none righteous, no, not one'
There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one."
Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit;
The poison of asps is under thier lips;
Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Their feet are swift to shed blood;
Destruction and misery are in their ways;
And the way of peace they have not known."
There is no fear of God before their eyes."
Romans 3:10-18

So there you have the picture of all men who have ever lived, saved one, Jesus Christ!
Only when the Holy Spirit regenerates a heart does this picture change!
 
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If God was truly truly omnipotent, could he not wash away sin from us, does he enujoy watching us compete and shun others for him. God and Christianity to me have never preached love or openess. It always seems about servitude, bondage and accepting you are worthy. Is humanity in a whole generally evil? No, humanity is oppurtunistic. A baby crying for example, a baby cannot talk or communicate and knows no other form of communication but to cry to hopefully get what it needs.

A man who lived sinless, and I mean truly sinless would never accomplish anything in life as things like lust and passion, craving and wanting something, is a sin. Even something such as pride, loving yourself is a sin. These are hardly the acts of a loving god, he just seems like a god who demands obediance rather then your love. If he truly loved us, we all would be "saved."

Besides..how fair is it for a God to ask me to love him when he denies me the ability to love?
 
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Notice that there are many backgrounds represented on the forum, and many denominations. I have not seen the term "inherited sin" in the Bible... we just know that we were all born with the potential to sin. It accompanies our freedom to think, to invent, to question, to love, to resent, to discern, and to be cautious.

We have freedom of choice, and that means we will not always be right, or make wise choices... we might not even have a perfect choice available to us sometimes. We slip, we fall, He picks us up and dusts us off.

He knows what we're capable of, and tells us how to work with that.
 
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One Man’s Sin Means My Death?
Why should the sin of the first human being become the downfall of the entire race? Why should all subsequent human beings stand under God’s judgment against a basic sinfulness for which none of us is ultimately responsible? How, in the face of such claims, are we to believe that God is just?
This text has provided the basis for commonly held doctrines about the nature of the human predicament. Many of the questions and problems that arise from it are in fact the result of improper interpretations or misunderstandings of the text itself.
The word sin (and its synonym, trespass) is the key word in Romans 5:12, just as it is in Paul’s description of the human condition in the first three chapters of this epistle. How are we to understand what Paul means by that term? What is his understanding of the origin of the human situation which he describes with this term?
Paul’s understanding of human sinfulness is expressed in two phrases: (1) “they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God” (Rom 1:28) and (2) “you rely on the law and brag about your relationship to God” (2:17). Sin is seen as refusal to accept our creatureliness, to acknowledge our dependence on our Maker, to recognize our limitations. “We are sinners” does not mean, primarily, that we have moral problems, but that in the deepest and final sense we are severed from relationship with God because of refusal or bragging.
Sin is not a genetic defect. The idea that sin is passed on genetically and thereby becomes the property of each individual through heredity ultimately led to a low view of sex. Sex came to be seen as the prime locus of human sinfulness—tolerated for the purpose of procreation, but not celebrated as a part of God’s economy for human wholeness and fulfillment.
Nor is sin a perverted inner nature. The problem with this understanding of sin is that it divides the individual into a number of separate boxes. It arises from the idea that the Fall resulted in the perversion of one essential part of ourselves. A number of candidates for this part have been proposed. For some, the perverted part is the will. For others, it is the emotions or passions. For still others, it is reason. The pervasive mood of anti-intellectualism in some Christian circles is traceable to such an understanding. Since the mind was affected by the Fall, our reasoning capacity is perverted and depraved and the quest of the mind cannot be trusted. But such a view does not do justice to all the biblical data. As total persons we are fallen and stand under the judgment of God. Both our heads and hearts stand under the signature of death. Both are dust.
From the biblical point of view, the term sin designates a particular kind of relationship between the creature and the Creator. And a relationship cannot be inherited; it can only be established or destroyed, affirmed or denied. Sin is thus a relational reality.
We are sinners insofar as we are unrelated to God. The questions raised by that statement are: Why are we that? Why is that our condition? Why do we find ourselves in such a dilemma? Paul’s answer to such questions is found in Romans 5:12–13.
This text has traditionally been seen as the biblical foundation for the Christian doctrine of original sin: “We all stand under the Fall of first man; that is why we are in the mess we are in!” But this view is inadequate. For Paul does not say that we sin because Adam sinned. He does not say that we die because Adam sinned. What he does say is this: Sin (alienation from God) entered the stage of history in the first man’s rebellion (“sin entered the world through one man”). The result of that separation is disintegration and death. But the universal penetration of that condition is due to the fact that all persons have sinned; all persons have become revolutionaries against God (“because all sinned”).
There is a two-sided perspective here in Paul that must be taken seriously if we wish to understand him adequately. On the one side of this dual perspective is the Hebrew idea of human solidarity, the recognition that each individual shares in a common humanity. On the other side is the recognition of individual responsibility. By virtue of the former, we are in bondage; by virtue of the latter, we become responsible for participation in that bondage.
Human solidarity. Paul was heir to a tradition concerning the human condition that was deeply rooted in Jewish beliefs. That tradition recognized the intimate interdependence of individuals and the effect that such solidarity could have, both positively and negatively. The Old Testament concept that the sins of parents would have their effect down through several generations reflects the Hebrew idea of corporate solidarity. The immediate background for Paul’s statements concerning the relation between first man and the rest of humankind (Rom 5:12–21) can be clearly seen in a Jewish work of the first century a.d.:
[Adam] transgressed. … Thou didst appoint death for him and for his descendants. …
For the first Adam, burdened with an evil heart, transgressed and was overcome, as were also all who were descended from him. Thus the disease became permanent. (2 Esdras 3:7, 21–22)
O Adam, what have you done? For though it was you who sinned, the fall was not yours alone, but ours also who are your descendants. (2 Esdras 7:118)
Paul clearly reflects this Jewish understanding in Romans 5:12–13. Adam, the typical representative and first human being, yields to the temptation to determine his own existence and his own destiny (that is, he sins). The result of that self-determination is death. Death is the condition of separateness, since the creature apart from the Creator does not have life. Physical death is clearly a part of this picture in the Hebrew-Pauline understanding. Separation from the source of life results in decay and disintegration.
But both for the Old Testament and for Paul, death is also an existential reality, a real condition of life. Thus Ezekiel receives a vision of “dry bones” that are representative of the failure of Israel to be and remain God’s people (Ezek 37). Hosea can speak of the resurrection of Israel from the grave of its national downfall (Hos 6:2). And Paul can speak of Christians as those “who have been brought from death to life” (Rom 6:13). The uniform affirmation of this biblical tradition is that there exists a mysterious relationship between human self-determination and death and between the first man’s self-determination and our own death. We belong to one another, and the condition of one has inevitable consequences for others.
Sociological and psychological studies have confirmed that scriptural understanding of human solidarity. We have been shown how heredity, upbringing and environment play major roles in the formation of our personalities. I am, to a large degree, the product of my world. What I am in the present is a continuation of all that I have assumed—consciously and unconsciously—from my past. Thus the child raised in an environment with violent models is more likely to be involved in violent behavior than those not raised with such models. The child of psychologically disturbed parents is more likely to become neurotic than the child of mentally healthy parents. The child who grows up in a broken home is less likely to become a whole, healthy person than one raised in a home with genuine love and caring from both parents in a consistent and stable relationship.
All of us are born into a human community that is overshadowed by the cumulative weight of human sinfulness, oppressive structures, prejudices and injustices. We are, all of us, more or less affected by the shadows that these clouds cast over our motives and orientations, our attitudes and priorities.
Individual Responsibility. In Romans 5:12–21, Paul not only reflects Jewish religious thought that we share a common humanity and that we are affected by that interdependence, but also reflects the Jewish belief that as individuals we are responsible and held accountable for the way we relate to that common humanity.
At the time of Ezekiel a protest was raised against the ancient Hebrew idea that the sins of parents will be visited upon the children and that the children will be held accountable for their parents’ transgressions. In Ezekiel 18 the prophet speaks the decisive word of God for individual responsibility:
Yet you ask, “Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?” Since the son has done what is just and right, … he will surely live. The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father. (Ezek 18:19–20)
This concept of individual responsibility made itself increasingly felt and is clearly enunciated in Jewish writings close to the time of Paul. In the Wisdom of Solomon, which dates from the first century b.c., the author discusses the presence of evil in the world in clear allusion to Genesis 2:
Do not invite death by the error of your life, nor bring on destruction by the works of your hands; because God did not make death. … But ungodly men by their words and deeds summoned death. (1:12–13, 16 RSV)
The parallel between this understanding of individual responsibility and Paul’s statement in Romans 5:12 is unmistakable. The same idea is voiced in a Jewish book of the first century a.d., the Apocalypse of Baruch:
Adam is therefore not the cause, save only of his own soul, But each of us has been the Adam of his own soul. (2 Baruch 54:19)
Paul also affirms that each person continues the rebellion and self-determination of Adam in his or her own life. It is in that sense that each of us becomes a part of that fateful history that stands under the signature of death. Each individual participates in the Adamic humanity and becomes accountable for that participation. Death marches across the pages of human history because humans in their own individuality have sinned. They do what Adam did. And the attempt to determine our own existence, however that may work itself out in everyday living, leads to separation from God.
Paul, in this text, affirms both parts of Jewish teaching about the origin and nature of sin: we stand in mysterious solidarity with Adam (Eve and Adam) in sin; we are also individually responsible. There is a sense in which we are determined; there is another sense in which we are absolutely free. But since we are both, neither the one nor the other is the final word.
This Pauline understanding of sin as dynamic, relational reality leads directly to what is his final word; namely, that this paradoxical reality of our bondage to, and freedom from, sin is overcome in a new relationship—one with Jesus Christ. Through that relationship, we are reconciled to God, and in Christ we become members of a new humanity.​
http://www.christianforums.com/t4460570&page=2#_ftn2. Hard sayings of the Bible
 
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