Information in DNA Explained

[Radrook]

Much has been made concerning the chemical bonds which allegedly determine how DNA and functions. This video clarifies the issue by showing clearly that chemical bonding or reactions do not account for the arrangement of DNA strands nor for the results of its specific arrangement.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Much has been made concerning the chemical bonds which allegedly determine how DNA and functions. This video clarifies the issue by showing clearly that chemical bonding or reactions do not account for the arrangement of DNA strands nor for the results of its specific arrangement.

Videos are not evidence, and who is going to waste almost an hour of their time on drivel that you will not even defend? If you are not going to even bother to defend some of the points in the video no one will bother with it that knows better

You should ask yourself who wrote this video? What are their academic credentials? If this is "proof of God" why haven't they published this in well respected peer reviewed journals?

It looks like you have just been fooled again.

ETA: Oh my! The video puts itself in the junk heap with its first sentence. It asks "what is the chance that life could have arisen randomly?". That is what is called a strawman. Life did not arise randomly. It arose by following the basic laws of chemistry. What always follows that bogus question is bad math that can be refuted by the simple statement that they used a false algorithm for how life arose.

 

[stephen583]

Anybody can create a video and post it on You-Tube. I watched one the other day that claims according to a 1907 prophecy Obama is going to refuse to step down as president.

I guess we'll find out in ten days whether that video is garbage or not ?! Lol.

There's also another pretty cool video about "Aquatic-apes" that have inhabited the seas since prehistoric times. There are photos of sharks people have caught with spear points in them made out of "stingray" tails.. There's even a film taken of one in Israel sitting on a rock in the water ! What more evidence does anyone need ?

The Giant Prehistoric Megoladon Shark video is pretty cool too.

 

[Radrook]

Anybody can create a video and post it on You-Tube. I watched one the other day that claims according to a 1907 prophecy Obama is going to refuse to step down as president.

I guess we'll find out in ten days whether that video is garbage or not ?! Lol.

There's also another pretty cool video about "Aquatic-apes" that have inhabited the seas since prehistoric times. There are photos of sharks people have caught with spear points in them made out of "stingray" tails.. There's even a film taken of one in Israel sitting on a rock in the water ! What more evidence does anyone need ?

The Giant Prehistoric Megoladon Shark video is pretty cool too.

I never claimed that the ability to post videos is my unique ability.
I never claimed that all videos poste on the Internet aren't garbage.

Posting videos isn't a violation of forum rules.

As for needing evidence-yes, there is a general misconception that the video clears up very efficiently and I consider it important. That's why I cdon't consider it to be the worthless garbage that you immediately claim that it is.

 

[Loudmouth]

Much has been made concerning the chemical bonds which allegedly determine how DNA and functions. This video clarifies the issue by showing clearly that chemical bonding or reactions do not account for the arrangement of DNA strands nor for the results of its specific arrangement.

How so?

 

[Loudmouth]

I never claimed that the ability to post videos is my unique ability.
I never claimed that all videos poste on the Internet aren't garbage.

Posting videos isn't a violation of forum rules.

As for needing evidence-yes, there is a general misconception that the video clears up very efficiently and I consider it important. That's why I cdon't consider it to be the worthless garbage that you immediately claim that it is.

It is considered common courtesy to present the evidence in your own words instead of expecting people to watch a video for an hour and a half.

 

[stephen583]

Did you know according to a 2016 Harris poll nearly 50 percent of American college students now get their news from Twitter and Facebook ? Lol.

We're DOOMED !

 

[sfs]

Did you know according to a 2016 Harris poll nearly 50 percent of American college students now get their news from Twitter and Facebook ? Lol.

We're DOOMED !

Yeah -- I saw that on Twitter.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Much has been made concerning the chemical bonds which allegedly determine how DNA and functions. This video clarifies the issue by showing clearly that chemical bonding or reactions do not account for the arrangement of DNA strands nor for the results of its specific arrangement.

Entitled "Information embedded in DNA Proves The Existance God". Not even just 'supports'. No, no... it PROVES.

And btw, don't they mean "Intelligent designer"?

So, what now?
I'll point out the obvious creationist propaganda sponsored by the "Most Holy Family Monastery" (catholic-haters apparantly) and then you reply by accusing me of "only rejecting ID because of my anti-religious, atheistic" stance?

Been there, done that. Multiple times.

Let's try something different this time.

How about... you just post the video as a reference, and you make whatever point you wish to discuss or present as evidence in your own words, so that we actually have something to talk about?

 

[HitchSlap]

Much has been made concerning the chemical bonds which allegedly determine how DNA and functions. This video clarifies the issue by showing clearly that chemical bonding or reactions do not account for the arrangement of DNA strands nor for the results of its specific arrangement.

Tl;dw

Maybe you should tell us in your own words how "chemical bonding or reactions do not account for the arrangement of DNA strands nor for the results of its specific arrangement."

 

[sfs]

Much has been made concerning the chemical bonds which allegedly determine how DNA and functions. This video clarifies the issue by showing clearly that chemical bonding or reactions do not account for the arrangement of DNA strands nor for the results of its specific arrangement.

I'm not going to watch a video, but it's certainly true that DNA's chemical bonds don't determine the specific information that a given DNA molecule contains. In fact, DNA can only serve as an information medium because it can take many configurations. I don't know why this is supposed to be news or evidence for anything, though.

Here's a question for you. Your body contains in its DNA coded information for making thousands of specific proteins, each exquisitely tailored to bind, in the form of an antibody, to a particular microbial protein. Where did that information come from? You weren't born with it.

 

[Radrook]

I'm not going to watch a video, but it's certainly true that DNA's chemical bonds don't determine the specific information that a given DNA molecule contains. In fact, DNA can only serve as an information medium because it can take many configurations. I don't know why this is supposed to be news or evidence for anything, though.

Here's a question for you. Your body contains in its DNA coded information for making thousands of specific proteins, each exquisitely tailored to bind, in the form of an antibody, to a particular microbial protein. Where did that information come from? You weren't born with it.

The reason I posted this video is because I keep coming across the statement that DNA info is transmitted via chemical reactions. About your question, in my opinion the only place coded information originates from is from a mind. If the body produced it after birth then the body was programmed to produce it after birth. That's my view.

 

[Radrook]

It is considered common courtesy to present the evidence in your own words instead of expecting people to watch a video for an hour and a half.

I will keep that in mind. Thanks for the advice.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

About your question, in my opinion the only place coded information originates from is from a mind

Wait.... in your opinion?
Isn't the ID model supposed to be some scientific model and not just mere opinion?

If the body produced it after birth then the body was programmed to produce it after birth. That's my view.

Yep. "heads I win, tails you lose".

 

[Radrook]

How so?

How so?

The explanation begins in the video at time 31:00.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

in my opinion the only place coded information originates from is from a mind.

Does the video give a definition of "information"? If so, please paraphrase it for us here. Does it agree with what you are referring to as information in your comment above? If not, what is your definition of information?

No point having this discussion if we don't know what "information" proves the existence of an intelligence.

 

[sfs]

About your question, in my opinion the only place coded information originates from is from a mind. If the body produced it after birth then the body was programmed to produce it after birth.

Those are two different answers; one says that information can only originate from a mind, and the other says it can originate from a mindless process designed by a mind. Where does the coded information itself -- not the process that produces it -- come from? There is no mind involved in the actual production of the information in your antibodies.

Also, what is the basis for your opinion about the need for a mind somewhere in the process?

 

[Radrook]

Those are two different answers; one says that information can only originate from a mind, and the other says it can originate from a mindless process designed by a mind. Where does the coded information itself -- not the process that produces it -- come from? There is no mind involved in the actual production of the information in your antibodies.

Also, what is the basis for your opinion about the need for a mind somewhere in the process?

That ability to perceive what I consider obvious is beyond my capability to bestow. So I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Radrook]

Does the video give a definition of "information"? If so, please paraphrase it for us here. Does it agree with what you are referring to as information in your comment above? If not, what is your definition of information?

No point having this discussion if we don't know what "information" proves the existence of an intelligence.

If indeed you have absolutely no idea what information is then I guess we will have to simply agree to disagree.

 

[Speedwell]

If indeed you have absolutely no idea what information is then I guess we will have to simply agree to disagree.

Bungle was merely voicing our opinion that you may be using a different definition of information than the rest of us.