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[PeterPaul]

Anyone else outraged?



Feb. 22, 2004


A weekly commentary by CBS News Correspondent Andy Rooney.
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It doesn't seem right, but religion has been in the news a lot recently.

Pat Robertson says that God has spoken to him and told him that George W. Bush will be re-elected because he deserves to be.

Here's Pat Robertson's exact quote: "I think George Bush is going to win in a walk. I'm hearing from the Lord that it's going to be a blowout."

The movie by Mel Gibson called “The Passion of the Christ” is the other religious issue in the news. Everyone's talking about that. The question is whether the Jews killed Jesus Christ - who was Jewish, of course.

I hadn't wanted to say anything about this, because it seemed like a personal matter, but Pat Robertson isn't the only one who has heard from God.

I heard from God just the other night. God always seems to call at night.

"Andrew," God said to me. He always calls me "Andrew." I like that.

"Andrew, you have the eyes and ears of a lot of people. I wish you'd tell your viewers that both Pat Robertson and Mel Gibson strike me as wackos. I believe that's one of your current words. They're crazy as bedbugs, another earthly expression. I created bedbugs. I'll tell you, they're no crazier than people,” said God.

"Let me just say that I think I'd remember if I'd ever talked to Pat Robertson, and I'd remember if I said Bush would get re-elected in a blowout."

“As far as Mel Gibson goes, I haven't seen his movie, 'The Passion of the Christ,' because it hasn't opened up here yet. But I did catch Gibson being interviewed by Diane Sawyer. I did something right when I came up with her, didn't I,” added God. “Anyway, as I was saying, Mel is a real nut case. What in the world was I thinking when I created him? Listen, we all make mistakes."

That is what God said to me. That's about all he did say to me because I'm sure God has a lot more important things to do than talk to someone on television.

My own question to Pat Robertson is this: The election looks as though it could be close, certainly not a blowout. If George W. Bush loses the election to a Democrat, will you become an atheist?

My question to Mel Gibson is: "How many million dollars does it look as if you're going to make off the crucifixion of Christ?"

 

[Gabriel]

Do you have a link for this? I usually like Andy. Sounds like he's losing it.

 

[PeterPaul]

Darn it, I don't. I forgot where I got it from, because it was hours ago. Let me see if I can find it.

 

[Eusebios]

All I can say is, consider the source. It certainly is flippant and borders on sacrelige, but than so does a good deal of what passes itself off as news or entertainment these days. It seems to me that the line between the two is becoming increasingly blurry as well.
I don't especially subscribe to Pat Robertson's way of thinking, and I haven't seen Gibson's movie (though U have tickets to do so on Thursday) I do however believe both to be sincere in their respective existence. As to Gibson's making "millions" on the Gospel account of the PAssion, it seems likely that breaking even is the more likely scenario. Just my 2 cents worth.
His unworthy servant,
Eusebios.

 

[PeterPaul]

here it is

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/rooney/main3419.shtml

 

[seebs]

Well, I'm certainly outraged by Robertson's use of religion as a political tool.

As to the Gibson thing, I have no opinion; I don't know enough about Gibson's finances to comment.

 

[JMRE5150]

I think the real point here isn't whether or not Pat or Mel are wrong...


Its how Andy Rooney is mocking God, making us Christians look like we are wacky, as if God would say horrible things about His children. I mean, re-read what Rooney said. He's mocking us. Stay focused on his attitude about religion, and not on whether Pat or Mel make true statements.

I personally think Andy Rooney should be forced to retire. He has officially crossed the line into the unacceptable.

I'm crushed whenever another man mocks God, Jesus or anyone who follows him. Its clear Andy IS NOT a Christian, or he would know that its unchristian-like to mock God. Andy is trying desperately to appeal to the secular, non-believing world.

If you want to make a difference, help us find a site to voice our opinions. Apparently many already have. I read an article that says the network was SWAMPED by angry christians who were calling for his resignation over this. More so than last years comments about Iraq.

 

[dsdumpling]

This is why we need to keep our eyes upon Jesus and not Pat Robertson or Andy Rooney. The way to hurt these people that mock christian or use politics to bolster their pocketbooks is by boycotting their sponsers. If you write to CBS, they won't do anything. Write to the sponser of 60 minutes and tell them you are unhappy with what Andy Rooney has said and will not be buying their product because of that. As for Pat Robertson, he showed us that he was more of a politician than anything. When he layed it all down to run for president should have showed us just what he is made of.

If Mel Gibson's film brings one soul to Jesus that was bound to eternity in hell then whatever is made on the film or whatever the film costs is worth it.

 

[JMRE5150]

Here is the article I found on Yahoo about folks getting upset at A. Rooney's remarks:




Mon Feb 23, 5:49 PM ET


NEW YORK - [size=-1]Andy Rooney set the phone and e-mail lines at CBS buzzing over his commentary — in which he said God was speaking through him — calling Mel Gibson and the Rev. Pat Robertson "wackos." [/size]

CBS said Monday it received its heaviest audience response to a "60 Minutes" report since Rooney's commentaries on the Iraq war last spring.

The network wouldn't specify how many calls or e-mails were received. "60 Minutes" spokesman Kevin Tedesco said it was "several times the normal feedback."

On Sunday's broadcast, Rooney commented on Robertson's January statement that he believes God has told him that President Bush would be re-elected in a "blowout" in November.

Rooney said God had spoken to him, saying, "I wish you'd tell your viewers that both Pat Robertson and Mel Gibson strike me as wackos."

"They're crazy as bedbugs, another earthly expression," Rooney said, quoting God. "I created bedbugs. I tell you, they're no crazier than people."

Rooney showed clips of Gibson talking to ABC's Diane Sawyer about Gibson's film "The Passion of the Christ."

Robertson didn't seem too upset about the commentary on Monday.

"Mel Gibson has, without a doubt, created the finest motion picture on the life of Christ of all time," he said. "I am very happy to be linked by Andy Rooney to a talented genius of the order of Mel Gibson."

 

[JMRE5150]

This is why we need to keep our eyes upon Jesus and not Pat Robertson or Andy Rooney. The way to hurt these people that mock christian or use politics to bolster their pocketbooks is by boycotting their sponsers. If you write to CBS, they won't do anything. Write to the sponser of 60 minutes and tell them you are unhappy with what Andy Rooney has said and will not be buying their product because of that. As for Pat Robertson, he showed us that he was more of a politician than anything. When he layed it all down to run for president should have showed us just what he is made of.

If Mel Gibson's film brings one soul to Jesus that was bound to eternity in hell then whatever is made on the film or whatever the film costs is worth it.

As usual, I concede to my friend's views on this subject. She again shows wonderful wisdom beyond her youthful years

Bless ya, woman. Youre always a good eye-opener when my christian 'fervor' gets the best of me!

BTW, is it snowing in DE yet? It is up here in Philly...strange.

 

[dsdumpling]

As usual, I concede to my friend's views on this subject. She again shows wonderful wisdom beyond her youthful years

Bless ya, woman. Youre always a good eye-opener when my christian 'fervor' gets the best of me!

BTW, is it snowing in DE yet? It is up here in Philly...strange.

you are too sweet! No snow yet! Send some south so I can leave work early.

 

[Wilfred of Ivanhoe]

I do not, by any means, approve of Andy's method of saying what he said. Nor can I give an opinion of what I think Mel's true motivations are for his movie. However, I can agree that Pat Robertson has hurt Christianity by his statements. Does God speak audibly to His children? I believe the answer to be no. In that case, I beleive that Pat's statement was contradictory to the Bible and therefore will have negative consequences for his witness of Christ. Any thoughts on this?

 

[dsdumpling]

I do not, by any means, approve of Andy's method of saying what he said. Nor can I give an opinion of what I think Mel's true motivations are for his movie. However, I can agree that Pat Robertson has hurt Christianity by his statements. Does God speak audibly to His children? I believe the answer to be no. In that case, I beleive that Pat's statement was contradictory to the Bible and therefore will have negative consequences for his witness of Christ. Any thoughts on this?

It's not the first time he's opened mouth and inserted foot, probably won't be the last. I need to pray for him instead of talking about him. God Bless him and his outreach.

 

[countrymousenc]

I'm crushed whenever another man mocks God, Jesus or anyone who follows him. Its clear Andy IS NOT a Christian, or he would know that its unchristian-like to mock God. Andy is trying desperately to appeal to the secular, non-believing world.

People like Rooney and Diane Sawyer do what they do just to make money, and it bothers them not one whit to ridicule what they don't like or understand. It's all in the service of mammon. May God forgive them; they don't really understand what they're doing.

All the same, we shouldn't expect to be understood or respected by those who oppose Christ.

I haven't been in the habit of taking Pat Robertson too seriously, but I like his comment about being grateful to be lumped in with someone like Gibson.

the Peace of Christ to all,
cm

 

[JMRE5150]

People like Rooney and Diane Sawyer do what they do just to make money, and it bothers them not one whit to ridicule what they don't like or understand. It's all in the service of mammon. May God forgive them; they don't really understand what they're doing.

Just so folks understand what CountryMouseNC means, here is a definition:

Mam·mon (m

m

n) n.

1. Bible. Riches, avarice, and worldly gain personified as a false god in the New Testament.
2. often mammon Material wealth regarded as having an evil influence.

I know alot of folks may not have grasped the meaning, so I thought I'd clarify for CountryMouseNC what she meant. Good stuff, CountryMouse!!!

 

[Isaiah 53]

A few comments before I address this post. After reading the commentary by Andy Rooney, my first reaction was pure anger and wanting to write to him and tell him exactly how I feel; that was my human response.

But, now as I write this, I realize that Andy Rooney needs our prayers. He is another lost individual in a mesh of lost individuals. Instead of being outraged, we should come together and pray for him. Would anyone care to pray with me?

IDoes God speak audibly to His children? I believe the answer to be no.

Wilfred...

I will have to disagree with you and give testimony that God does speak audibly to His children. He spoke to me. Did He give tell me something that would profoundly affect all humankind? No. But, He did change my perspective on things. God Bless.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!

 

[countrymousenc]

Thanks, JMRE5150

A Instead of being outraged, we should come together and pray for him. Would anyone care to pray with me?

be glad to.

Wilfred...

I will have to disagree with you and give testimony that God does speak audibly to His children. He spoke to me. Did He give tell me something that would profoundly affect all humankind? No. But, He did change my perspective on things. God Bless.

Yes, He does still speak sometimes when one of His children has a need. It's happened to me, too. I can never thank Him enough.

God bless you all,
countrymouse

 

[BBAS 64]

A few comments before I address this post. After reading the commentary by Andy Rooney, my first reaction was pure anger and wanting to write to him and tell him exactly how I feel; that was my human response.

But, now as I write this, I realize that Andy Rooney needs our prayers. He is another lost individual in a mesh of lost individuals. Instead of being outraged, we should come together and pray for him. Would anyone care to pray with me?




Wilfred...

I will have to disagree with you and give testimony that God does speak audibly to His children. He spoke to me. Did He give tell me something that would profoundly affect all humankind? No. But, He did change my perspective on things. God Bless.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!

BBAS

 

[Wilfred of Ivanhoe]

God has spoken to me, but not in the way Pat claims He did. One day, God through the Holy Spirit said that you will never rest until you surrender to me. You can turn from your sins within yourself, but you must fully surrender your life to me. I tried to hide under the covers but it made no difference. I finally surrendered to God and it was an incredible, emotional moment and I've never cried so hard or so long in my life. I've never felt more disgusted with myself while feeling totally forgiven in my life. It was a truly amazing experience and the week and a half that followed will be forever etched into my memory.

I know that was vague, but that is the way I'd like it to be. Just everyone know that God is all powerful.

 

[blessedbe]

I believe God does talk audibly to His children. It happened to my husband once while he was truck driving, feeling very worried for my safety, and praying to God about it. He heard God say "I will protect them" very clearly. It totally freaked him out. He only told me about it quite a while later thinking I wouldn't believe him. He certainly didn't believe in that kind of thing.

However.... what Pat did was Totally political and i suspect designed to get the "Pat fans" to vote for Bush in re-election. I will not and cannot believe that God would tell Pat "the future" like that. I think Pat has fallen into the trap that most television evangelists fall into, and the reason i cannot put my trust in any one of them, regardless of how sincere they may sound(or be).