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I know Theodoret is suspect, but I like the following passage anyway:
Rather we speak of three hypostases, but one nature of the Trinity, [a nature which is] incorporeal, unchangeable, immutable, endless, immortal, infinite, incorruptible, indescribable, boundless, invisible, indistinguishable, ineffable, inexpressible, incomprehensible, imperceptible, inconceivable, self-existent, spiritual light, the fountainhead of benefits, the thesaurus of wisdom, Creator of the universe and provider of all, the Wisdom steering the ship of creation.
Theodoret of Cyrus On the Holy and Vivifying Trinity 28 [Early Church Fathers 2006, Pásztori-Kupán, István trans. p. 137]
Rather we speak of three hypostases, but one nature of the Trinity, [a nature which is] incorporeal, unchangeable, immutable, endless, immortal, infinite, incorruptible, indescribable, boundless, invisible, indistinguishable, ineffable, inexpressible, incomprehensible, imperceptible, inconceivable, self-existent, spiritual light, the fountainhead of benefits, the thesaurus of wisdom, Creator of the universe and provider of all, the Wisdom steering the ship of creation.
Theodoret of Cyrus On the Holy and Vivifying Trinity 28 [Early Church Fathers 2006, Pásztori-Kupán, István trans. p. 137]
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then WHERE DOES HELL EXIST? If God is infinite, unbound less.. then God is in Hell. Correct?
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Perhaps not in the way you (or I) think of it, however.
Thus the 'sleep' of death appears as a contemplative state. Death, undoing the tangles of idolatry and sin, offers the soul that peace, quies hesychia, which spiritual persons know already here below, a blissful visitation of Christ who is always present in hell.
Clément, Olivier The Roots of Christian Mysticism [NCP 1982, 1993 p298]
Certainly the Church has rejected Origen's theory that finally, after going through a multitude of spiritual states, all human beings and even the fallen angels would be reconciled and restored to their original condition. Such a conviction actually conflicts with Christ's warnings so emphatically formulated in the synoptic Gospels. It also belittles the irreducible nature of our freedom. To admit with Origen that evil will come to an end by exhaustion, whereas God alone is infinite and therefore alone able to satisfy the inexhaustible desires of human nature, is to forget the absolute character that belongs to personal freedom precisely because it is the image of God.
That said, it remains spiritually impossible to talk of hell for others. The theme of hell can only be broached in the language of I and Thou. The threats in the Gospel concern me; they form the serious tragic element in my spiritual destiny; they prompt me to humility and repentance, because I recognize them as the diagnosis of my state. But for you, the numberless you of my neighbour, I can only serve, bear witness, and pray that you will experience the Risen Christ, and that you and everyone will be saved.
Clément, Olivier The Roots of Christian Mysticism [NCP 1982, 1993 p301]
For it must indeed be said 'God is not just', not as atheists say, who only see the world and do not notice on it the cross or the empty tomb, but on the basis of the cross, the tomb and Easter. This contradicts many theologians who are petrified in their own human idea of justice, and seek to impose it on God . . . God is not just. He is infinitely more than just. He is the foolishness of love that never ceases coming down into our hell to raise us up again.
Clément, Olivier The Roots of Christian Mysticism [NCP 1982, 1993 p305-306]
Thus the 'sleep' of death appears as a contemplative state. Death, undoing the tangles of idolatry and sin, offers the soul that peace, quies hesychia, which spiritual persons know already here below, a blissful visitation of Christ who is always present in hell.
Clément, Olivier The Roots of Christian Mysticism [NCP 1982, 1993 p298]
Certainly the Church has rejected Origen's theory that finally, after going through a multitude of spiritual states, all human beings and even the fallen angels would be reconciled and restored to their original condition. Such a conviction actually conflicts with Christ's warnings so emphatically formulated in the synoptic Gospels. It also belittles the irreducible nature of our freedom. To admit with Origen that evil will come to an end by exhaustion, whereas God alone is infinite and therefore alone able to satisfy the inexhaustible desires of human nature, is to forget the absolute character that belongs to personal freedom precisely because it is the image of God.
That said, it remains spiritually impossible to talk of hell for others. The theme of hell can only be broached in the language of I and Thou. The threats in the Gospel concern me; they form the serious tragic element in my spiritual destiny; they prompt me to humility and repentance, because I recognize them as the diagnosis of my state. But for you, the numberless you of my neighbour, I can only serve, bear witness, and pray that you will experience the Risen Christ, and that you and everyone will be saved.
Clément, Olivier The Roots of Christian Mysticism [NCP 1982, 1993 p301]
For it must indeed be said 'God is not just', not as atheists say, who only see the world and do not notice on it the cross or the empty tomb, but on the basis of the cross, the tomb and Easter. This contradicts many theologians who are petrified in their own human idea of justice, and seek to impose it on God . . . God is not just. He is infinitely more than just. He is the foolishness of love that never ceases coming down into our hell to raise us up again.
Clément, Olivier The Roots of Christian Mysticism [NCP 1982, 1993 p305-306]
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I think the question is: What do you think Hell is?
Hell is nothingness ....
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maybe, how we perceive this world is hell.
rape, torture, starvation, war, disease, epics, crime, corruption.
This sure seems like hell.
rape, torture, starvation, war, disease, epics, crime, corruption.
This sure seems like hell.
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This world is a product of satan's influence. Shame is the destruction of grace, pride and understanding.
2Ti 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Shame was brought to garden of eden, and sin evolved in its footsteps. Cain had shame, that the offerings he presented, were not as good as his brother Abel's. Sin has been promulgated from that time period. I think as Christian's we try to understand the reasons for ills of the world, and try our best to do as much as we can about it. Prayer and Supplication are the best ways to voice a positive direction, for our turn of events.
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Moon Over Key Biscayne
2Ti 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Shame was brought to garden of eden, and sin evolved in its footsteps. Cain had shame, that the offerings he presented, were not as good as his brother Abel's. Sin has been promulgated from that time period. I think as Christian's we try to understand the reasons for ills of the world, and try our best to do as much as we can about it. Prayer and Supplication are the best ways to voice a positive direction, for our turn of events.
Everlasting
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Moon Over Key Biscayne
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