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There is no scriptural basis to support that Jesus was 'dunked'.My point of wonder, as well.
"Jesus was dunked, so we need to be dunked so that we are following His example." Yet if we truly want to follow His example, we'd all have to fly to Israel to be baptized in the Jordan River just like He was.
Exactly!There is no scriptural basis to support that Jesus was 'dunked'.
An infant has nothing to die for? So why do infants die?Representing those who believe baptism does something very much indeed--that is is powerful, effective, and not at all "just a symbol"
it is actually participating in the burial of Christ--something an infant cannot do since it has nothing to die for (it is innocent)--and participating in the resurrection of Christ to new life--something an infant cannot do because that involves following Yeshua and no infant knows Yeshua, let alone can follow him.
Putting a babe to death in baptisim is as ludicrous as trying to wash a stain off something brand-new and unstained. And it is EXTREMELY dangerous since it assumes to influence something that doesn't even exist yet, leaving the child open to being taken over by its sinful ways later in life since no sinful ways existed yet to be put to death.
Exactly!
That's one of the reasons that I disagree with the notion that we must "follow the example of Jesus" in baptism.
Pardon me, I misunderstood your post to agree with something you do not.Exactly!
That's one of the reasons that I disagree with the notion that we must "follow the example of Jesus" in baptism.
It a hazard of message boards.Pardon me, I misunderstood your post to agree with something you do not.
They have nothing to offer, nothing to bring, and are not smart enough to understand a lick of what Jesus said except "come to me all of you who are weary and heavily burdened and I will give you rest"
God keep you my friend and brother and may he bless you with a hugely high IQ and stuff so you can bask in still being insufficient to understand.
None of us creatures can understand what it's like to be God.
But we sure as sure can be are sufficient to be loved by God.
Because all the love come from him and we don't need to be smart to receive his love.
Exactly how is your brand of "monergism" different from Calvinist double predestination?
Lutherans share that belief with most other Christians.Double predestination posits that God chooses the elect to salvation, and passes over the reprobate, thus there is a segment of the human population that was born to be damned, without hope of salvation.
Lutherans believe Christ died for everyone, and that God desires everyone to be saved. Everyone means everyone. Nobody is passed over, the Gospel goes out to all, for all, and it has the power to save all.
-CryptoLutheran
Double predestination posits that God chooses the elect to salvation, and passes over the reprobate, thus there is a segment of the human population that was born to be damned, without hope of salvation.
Lutherans believe Christ died for everyone, and that God desires everyone to be saved. Everyone means everyone. Nobody is passed over, the Gospel goes out to all, for all, and it has the power to save all.
-CryptoLutheran
Hi. My question is just a simple one but with a long backstory.. I was baptized as an infant.
I've always held this baptism as a true one based on this: I believe if you are baptized and later on decide to not follow God, your baptism is no longer valid. That being said, I believe in the opposite, if you decide to come to God after being baptized, your baptism is in fact, valid.
I've also thought that the babies were dedicated in the Israelites' covenant after 8 days, and entire households were baptized in the New Testament.
That being said, the church I belong to now believes my baptism is not valid by noting that in the New Testament, it is 'believe, then be baptized'.
This obviously disturbs me because, does my baptism count?
Do I need to be re-baptized?
I don't know, and I've been following God for a while now and am scared that I've been following all this time but missing a step. I've always thought my baptism was valid until my pastor said it was not. Can somebody shine some light on this?
What does choosing salvation and accepting Christ have to do with Works?
Lutherans share that belief with most other Christians.
Not sure that that is the belief of all Lutherans, however; especially since we've recently had a discussion here about the Lutheran version of predestination.
Because an act is a work.
The work of choosing salvation is just that, a work.
-CryptoLutheran
Double predestination posits that God chooses the elect to salvation, and passes over the reprobate, thus there is a segment of the human population that was born to be damned, without hope of salvation.
Lutherans believe Christ died for everyone, and that God desires everyone to be saved. Everyone means everyone. Nobody is passed over, the Gospel goes out to all, for all, and it has the power to save all.
-CryptoLutheran
They have nothing to offer, nothing to bring, and are not smart enough to understand a lick of what Jesus said except "come to me all of you who are weary and heavily burdened and I will give you rest"
God keep you my friend and brother and may he bless you with a hugely high IQ and stuff so you can bask in still being insufficient to understand.
None of us creatures can understand what it's like to be God.
But we sure as sure can be are sufficient to be loved by God.
Because all the love come from him and we don't need to be smart to receive his love.
....and old wretched Christians like me not playing with a full deck. Thank you my friend. BTW room temperature increased in Hawaii, yet still way below 100 degrees. First and foremost after all the and those little infants also need the Holy Spirit, ie, how else are they going to receive unless by affusion? I can assure you if I try and dunk one of those precious little ones with the parents around, they will drown me! If this happens how can you and I have coffee together MoreCoffee? I think those little ones have a little more going for them in the dialectical department than you give them credit for. I'm glad you and I are not blocking these little ones from entering the Kingdom of God due the deep water type baptism at Matt.18:6.
Very Orthodox of you
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