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Without a doubt , there are counterfeits among us. It shows me something important. We are not good judges. But that's fine.The BTK killer was lutheran, he was baptized and president of His Church. But he didnt have the spirit. Im the opposite, perhaps God will use my testimony to shut his mouth on judgment day when he says "did i not get baptized in your name?"
Just something to ponder.
Re 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Seriously, go to Jn.3:5 and remove "H2O" from the equation, then my former statement is invalid. You can come after me and/or my words due to nothing you and Jerry can do to change my opinion of you folks really caring for the Word.
One has to be not only water baptized, eg, Jn.3:5 only for starters, then be baptized in the Genuine NAME (revelation) that the Triune God's personal Name stands or falls on. You will be forced to reject this due to the time you were born into; however you cannot say that I didn't do my best to bring this to you folks attention. Been spewing this out for almost 3 decades now and only about a little less than a 1,000 heard me and less than 100 of those realized the 'spewing' with my end point: This is the reason I'm not a modern Lutheran as they baptize in a another name, yet use the same Personal Name.
How else is the Holy Spirit going to indwell these little infants other than water baptism, eg, Jn.3:5; Matt.28:19 & good ol' Acts 2:39. :o just your ol' old friend Jack
Some might, BrotherDC.
Some who repent change their mind later and walk away from faith in Jesus Christ.
Nothing in creation is unchangeable except perhaps for Jesus Christ.
God bless.
You just exploded blessed assurance and OSAS. I think Eddie Money doesn't really have those two tickets.
Two Tickets to Paradise-Eddie Money 1978 - YouTube
Without a doubt , there are counterfeits among us. It shows me something important. We are not good judges. But that's fine.
You just exploded blessed assurance and OSAS. I think Eddie Money doesn't really have those two tickets.
Two Tickets to Paradise-Eddie Money 1978 - YouTube
Here's the thing though, none of the holy folks in the Old Testament were baptized in water, yet God considers them as His own? Are you saying that these people were saved in a different way than we are today? If so, how were they saved?
Doesn't Romans 2:12-16 say that those who do not know Christ, but instinctively keep the commandments of God will be received into the Kingdom of God? Where does this leave your doctrine?
But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple courts, Hosanna to the Son of David, they were indignant.
Do you hear what these children are saying? they asked him.
Yes, replied Jesus, have you never read,
From the lips of children and infants
you, Lord, have called forth your praise? - Matthew 21:15-16
God gives His Spirit to every infant born into this world, regardless of whether they have been water baptized or not. All children belong to the LORD whether born of pagans, atheists, Christians etc.
I didn't take it as a cut down toward Lutherans. It was the truth and could have happened in any church.Please dont take me wrong, i wasn't cutting down Lutherans, i know every group has good and bad elements, i was just saying that without faith baptism is useless and faith without works is dead. And faith doesnt need water, it needs trust, i trust that the Lord will guide me. Maybe God has a purpose for all this.
Some might, BrotherDC.
Some who repent change their mind later and walk away from faith in Jesus Christ.
Nothing in creation is unchangeable except perhaps for Jesus Christ.
God bless.
It appears the EOC agrees with thee on thatOh darn!
Now what will those OSAS folk do?
I most humbly apologise for exposing OSAS as an error.
I think because salvation is put in past, present, future, and eternal tenses, that kinda slams OSAS, at least how the West views it.
We can't be secure that we are saved. Judas believed? Yes! Was he saved? No!
Once have been baptized we can continue to commit sins. Once committed a sin how we can be sure in our salvation?
The Bible is against the idea of OSAS.
1 Corinthians 6,9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Are those words about non-believers only or about those who have been baptized as well?
Paul wrote his epistle to the church of Corinth. So he wrote to the church people.
Nevertheless in the same epistle we can find the confirmation that even brothers can commit such sins as written in previous quote.
1 Corinthians 5,9: I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? Do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person
I didn't take it as a cut down toward Lutherans. It was the truth and could have happened in any church.
Trust is a good thing when dealing with such an awesome God. His written word and His Word Jesus Christ, tell us what baptism is for. Trust Him. Water in and of itself is simply water. Not let God move upon the water and it's (His) healing is miraculous. Jesus said seek and you shall find. If you seek a spiritual experience in your baptism, Jesus will not let you down. If your just seeking an outward sign, it can go either way. I was an outward sign believer but my baptism changed me.
Like you my thoughts were of obedience concerning baptism. But I had this overwhelming desire to be baptized right away. I pestered the pastor time and time again. He was wanting to wait for warmer weather as we used a spring fed creek. He kept trying to assure me that it wasn't a rush as "Baptism was not a salvation issue". After a month of me calling him daily and finally asking him if I needed to have it done elsewhere, he relented and I was baptized. The spiritual experience did not just come upon me. The pastor also had an experience that changed his mind unto this day.He even asked me what I prayed beforehand. My prayer was a very simple prayer: "Father, Show me the truth."
So what should one seeking Baptism expect? The same thing that occurred when Christ was baptized: The Holy Spirit and a Father who is well pleased. The difference is that we have need to die and be reborn. Which is also Christlike.
I don't expect you to agree.But I hope you will pray about it seeking God's will.
God means much to us and we don't truly understand Him. It's not about what it means to us. It's about what it means to God.
Here's the thing though, none of the holy folks in the Old Testament were baptized in water, yet God considers them as His own? Are you saying that these people were saved in a different way than we are today? If so, how were they saved?
Doesn't Romans 2:12-16 say that those who do not know Christ, but instinctively keep the commandments of God will be received into the Kingdom of God? Where does this leave your doctrine?
But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple courts, Hosanna to the Son of David, they were indignant.
Do you hear what these children are saying? they asked him.
Yes, replied Jesus, have you never read,
From the lips of children and infants
you, Lord, have called forth your praise? - Matthew 21:15-16
God gives His Spirit to every infant born into this world, regardless of whether they have been water baptized or not. All children belong to the LORD whether born of pagans, atheists, Christians etc.
Even atheists? Was lol at you so hard and long that I know I offended God. Apologize to God first for lol at someone, and apologize to you for sinfully lol at you, ie, should have lol at your words only. I would like to respond but still lol at your words too much...so sorry. I still consider you a friend and will get a grip soon.
Well, I hope you change your mind someday and realize that infants who die before reaching an age where they are able to learn the difference between right and wrong, will not be condemned simply because their parents were atheists or pagans. The Kingdom of God is for little children and those that are like them.
The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them. Ezekiel 18:20
I couldn't disagree more.God means much to us and we don't truly understand Him. It's not about what it means to us. It's about what it means to God.
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