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<blockquote data-quote="ThatRobGuy" data-source="post: 72193570" data-attributes="member: 123415"><p><a href="https://www.christianforums.com/threads/indoctrination-cult-university.8042809/page-5#post-72172718" target="_blank">Indoctrination Cult University</a></p><p></p><p><em><u>Simply put, </u></em></p><p><em><u></u></em></p><p><em><u>It's the idea that one group can have significant advantages over another group based on the situations that previous generations were in, and how certain economic and societal scenarios can perpetuate for several generations before things are evened out.</u></em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're misunderstanding...</p><p></p><p>I said we use analogies because when we do provide real-world data and example, your side quickly dismisses it as a "culture problem".</p><p></p><p>We know (through data) that things like poverty are perpetual in nature (if parents are poor, they're less likely to be able to provide for their children in ways that will ensure the children's success...IE: can't send them to the best schools, can't move out of the low-end neighborhoods that have some bad elements, can't afford to send them to college, etc...)...so when those kids, statistically speaking, are likely to grow up poor, the cycle continues as they're in the same situation their parents are in, can't put their kids in good schools, can't pay for college, etc...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, so another part of my post (linked above) that you didn't read. Quoting myself here...</p><p></p><p><em><u>Like I stated before, I do think the concept is used to try to explain/justify far too much in certain aspects and some folks try to use it as an all-encompassing explanation for all cultural and societal problems.</u></em></p><p></p><p>I actually agreed that people try to use it to explain far too much and that certain cultural things do need to be addressed. However, people in the other camp tend to want to blame it all on culture problems and think it's perfectly acceptable to dismiss any and all systemic responsibility for the situation they're in.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, the lingering effects do impact some of those that...</p><p></p><p>For instance, if you're a kid who grew up with poor parents in a dangerous neighborhood, that's no fault of your own, you have no control over your parents' actions. So when you're getting robbed and beat up a school, you're less likely to see it as a safe place to be and are more likely to drop out.</p><p></p><p>Since most meaningful careers require some form of post-secondary education (which costs $$$), since many black families were put in perpetual poverty from systemic effects, and the fallout afterwards, to say that it hasn't impacted career choices would be false.</p><p></p><p></p><p>These are simple concepts.</p><p></p><p>If you're put in a situation where you're going to be poor, then your kids will, statistically speaking (yes, I realize there are outliers), will end up being poor, which means their kids will likely be, the cycle repeats...so since it is a repeating cycle, a certain measure of blame has to be put on the entity/system that spawned off the cycle in the first place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThatRobGuy, post: 72193570, member: 123415"] [URL='https://www.christianforums.com/threads/indoctrination-cult-university.8042809/page-5#post-72172718']Indoctrination Cult University[/URL] [I][U]Simply put, It's the idea that one group can have significant advantages over another group based on the situations that previous generations were in, and how certain economic and societal scenarios can perpetuate for several generations before things are evened out.[/U][/I] You're misunderstanding... I said we use analogies because when we do provide real-world data and example, your side quickly dismisses it as a "culture problem". We know (through data) that things like poverty are perpetual in nature (if parents are poor, they're less likely to be able to provide for their children in ways that will ensure the children's success...IE: can't send them to the best schools, can't move out of the low-end neighborhoods that have some bad elements, can't afford to send them to college, etc...)...so when those kids, statistically speaking, are likely to grow up poor, the cycle continues as they're in the same situation their parents are in, can't put their kids in good schools, can't pay for college, etc... Okay, so another part of my post (linked above) that you didn't read. Quoting myself here... [I][U]Like I stated before, I do think the concept is used to try to explain/justify far too much in certain aspects and some folks try to use it as an all-encompassing explanation for all cultural and societal problems.[/U][/I] I actually agreed that people try to use it to explain far too much and that certain cultural things do need to be addressed. However, people in the other camp tend to want to blame it all on culture problems and think it's perfectly acceptable to dismiss any and all systemic responsibility for the situation they're in. Actually, the lingering effects do impact some of those that... For instance, if you're a kid who grew up with poor parents in a dangerous neighborhood, that's no fault of your own, you have no control over your parents' actions. So when you're getting robbed and beat up a school, you're less likely to see it as a safe place to be and are more likely to drop out. Since most meaningful careers require some form of post-secondary education (which costs $$$), since many black families were put in perpetual poverty from systemic effects, and the fallout afterwards, to say that it hasn't impacted career choices would be false. These are simple concepts. If you're put in a situation where you're going to be poor, then your kids will, statistically speaking (yes, I realize there are outliers), will end up being poor, which means their kids will likely be, the cycle repeats...so since it is a repeating cycle, a certain measure of blame has to be put on the entity/system that spawned off the cycle in the first place. [/QUOTE]
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