Incorrect hearing from the Lord?!?!!!!!

[AllForHisGlory]

VERY long story short I was at a youth weekend event called Youth Explosion. During worship (we had been in worship for a couple hours at the time) we started praying in the Spirit, and prophesying over everyone. This youth leader from another church (that didn't know me) happened to pray for me. After he had done so, he pulled me aside in a hallway and informed me he had driven away the spirit of homosexuality in the name of Jesus that was trying to get in my life apparently.

SAY WHAT?!?!?!

I am not one to judge what God can and cannot do, I believe in the gifts and declarations and prophesying over people BUT!!!!! God calls us to discern what is from HIM and what is NOT from HIM.

I am not gay, I am not homosexual, I have NEVER had any thoughts about either of them before in my life and this man is going to tell me that he drove away the spirit in the name of Jesus?

This man has declared MANY great and wonderful things that have been accurate over the past events we have had over the years but, I don't think he was right in saying what He did.

I know I am free from that spirit of homosexuality, I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN! I have never had a problem with it at all, in fact I never even thought about it ever!!

In fact, what he has said has done absolutely NO GOOD for my spiritual walk and relationship. It has only brought confusion, and if I may say so, even a slight bit of anger and resentment. What he has said won't leave my mind, I asked God to give me peace about the situation but the peace won't come. It seems all this has brought was havoc and making me feel down on myself because I know its just not true about what he said.

Sorry for seeming like a rant, but this has caused so much havoc in my walk right now, and I want it to go away.

I feel so violated for having someone say that this spirit of homosexuality is attacking me!! ITS NOT TRUE!!!

I hate to say it, but I don't think what he said was from God, I mean, I would feel PEACE if it was, but I don't feel peace. Just the opposite. It seems the enemy Satan has sent another arrow in my life and its definitely working.

What do you think? Was this man wrong in what he did? What about discernment and the testing?

 

[stormdancer0]

It may be that the spirit had not actually attacked you yet. It also could be that it was manifesting in a way that you would not associate it with "homosexuality." I.E. It could have been manifesting in such a way as to make it difficult for you to have a deep, spiritual relationship with a woman.

Or it could be that he sensed the spirit attacking someone in your general area and did not approach the right guy. The man meant no harm, and the enemy is using the situation to derail you. He is whispering, "Are you SURE he was wrong? Well, HOW DARE HE make such assumptions!" In your very understandable aggravation, you are distracted, and may not hear God when He calls you.

Let it go.

 

[AllForHisGlory]

I talked to my youth group leader about it, He was awestruck, completely shocked that the man did it. He was also wondering why the man never told him first either or let him be present, after all, he is my pastor. There was incredible spiritual warfare going on at that time, now that I look back. I shouldve just told the man when he said it that he wasn't right, because when he did say it, it was like a bajillion alarms went off and the Holy Spirit was like DANGER!
In the name of Jesus my youth group leader and I prayed for peace, it came, and I have never felt better, I am just angry at myself for letting myself become a victim of one of satan's snares and falling for a lie.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I've been associated with Charismatic, and Historic Pentecostal folks for going on 50 years, and have adopted a "hard and fast rule" when dealing with folks who give me a "word from the Lord".

I "File it" in pending, and wait for independent confirmation.

The Bible says to "Prove all things", and it also instructs that prophetic utterances (which include "Word of KNowledge", "Word of Wisdom", "Interpretation", and "Discernation of spirits") ARE TO BE JUDGED by the "others".

That it "Caused havock" is a good indication that the "Prophet" was just another "Pentecostal flake". I've had many folks "Speak words" to me over the years, and maybe 2 or three of 'em have "Proven to be true".

ANYBODY who "Commits resources" on the basis of an unconfirmed prophetic word - is a fool.

 

[Biblicist]

Bob has summed it up pretty well. I have been in the Full Gospel movement since 1974 and having heard my own fair share of odd prophecies I have learnt just as Bob and many others have, that you always need to allow a prophecy to rest and if you believe it is wrong then simply put it down to the exuberance that some can exhibit during times of emotionally charged meetings.

Even though I don’t know you or your circumstances, I would also be a bit wary with discussing this matter with the individual who gave you his ‘prophecy’ and if you firmly believe that his prophecy was false then simply throw into the waste bin where it apparently belongs.

For what it’s worth, over the years you will probably encounter a few odd ‘prophecies’ here and there as you will with receiving both good and bad advice on certain matters but simply let the bad advice and odd prophecies slide you by.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I would say try not to let it get to you. I mean, it seems offensive sure, but he wasn't saying you were homosexual, but that his prayer drove it away from you, so really if that's what happened he ministered to you. The fact that you may have had that spirit come against you is not your fault, we are all attacked in different ways. I would say be grateful that if this guy was right, the spirit won't come against you. As stated don't let it tick you off, he wasn't trying to be offensive to you it doesn't seem.

 

[FuegoPentecostes]

God is not the author of confusion, so the fact that it really is doing so much to hinder your walk with God and is really making you question things should tell you this man was mislead in what he did.

A little warning though, homosexuality, I believe, is one of the hardest demons to deal with. We know it will be strong and prevalent during the last days. I've personally dealt with homosexual feelings/thoughts (never actions) and am still praying for strength, wisdom, and help from the Lord. Satan is doing all he can to get at people before his time is up, stay weary, it seems this may have been a ploy by him to introduce you into such a lifestyle.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I would be careful in claiming that every instance of someone claiming to speak or act from God and doing something causing confusion is not accurate. What I mean is like this, Jesus caused confusion among the Jews. In Acts the church caused so much chaos and confusion in the world that it was said they turned the world upside down. Baptists are confused at Pentecostals for the most part, yeah? The true way to know if this man was speaking from God is to test his words. As already stated he had been accurate in the past, but past accuracies do not guarantee future results the same. Pray over it, if you are confused (which it seems like the OP is more angered/upset than confused) God will open your eyes to what has happened if you listen and look for His response.

Not to mention, proper biblical exegesis demands that to use a singular verse means to use it in context of the immediate section to get the meaning of what was said, so the verse mentioned is used in the means of speaking in tongues and prophecying in public assembly, not in context of what we are discussing.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

I believe in prophecy and the other gifts of the Spirit but I know that sometimes people are faking it. A preacher once told me God told him I had problems that I didn't even have. He was way off. The problem is that there are copycats who really do not have the gifts of the Spirit but they want to sound like preachers who do. If you listen to some preachers you can tell they are copycats. Most of the time preachers will copycat the word of knowledge. They are just guessing but they will say something general like "someone here has such and such problem, so come to the front." Not everyone is fake but alot of the fakes do not even realize what they are doing. They don't even know they need a gift of the Spirit to be like those other pastors. The best thing to do is consider these copycats to either be uneducated or to consider that they are using you. You can tell people that they were not right.

 

[Ark100]

I feel so violated for having someone say that this spirit of homosexuality is attacking me!! ITS NOT TRUE!!!

I hate to say it, but I don't think what he said was from God, I mean, I would feel PEACE if it was, but I don't feel peace. Just the opposite.

Test every Spirit is what we have been told. You may need to pray to God to give you a discerning Spirit. The guy may or may not have been influenced by the Holy Spirit when He said what He did, but I would not rule out all his prophecies as bull just because of that.

I think you should strenghten yourself in the Lord to a point that when prophecies come, or when people say things that may seem to throw you off. You will only look up to God and not worry too much how much effect what they say will have on you.

For the peace of God which surpasses all understanding will guide our every step. He who is the King of kings has said that He is your stenghth, your armor, your shield, your refuge. Therefore let not your heart fear for God is watching over you, keeping you and will not let any harm come to you.

If people prophesy negativity into your life, reject it, and pray to God to cancel it by the blood of Jesus, and if its a warning prophecy, pray to God about it, and let the peace of God fall on you. If it is positive, take it to God as well for He knows and sees all.

You are ok. Don;t worry too much about that.

 

[jamadan]

I'd chaulk it up to a false word and not think about it again. Happens all the time. Too many people speaking too many words out there today. Way too much complacency from people claiming to speak for God.

 

[hopeinGod]

While visiting shut-ins, one of the more esteemed members of a Charismatic group with whom I spent some years, was attending to an aged female, and while praying for her began casting out the spirit of beastiality from this woman. He said that God showed him that this woman was having sex with her dog. I was beyond blown away. It was nothing short of appalling. That one event alone caused me to walk away from that group, since the man was in a limited leadership position.

 

[thegospel4all]

My extended family was rasied in Assembly and Pentecostal churches and when I was 8 years old, an evangelist, whose ministry was predicated on "battling demonic forces" came to the Pentecostal church we attended. Out of the blue, pointed at my mom and told her to bring me up to the stage.

This evangelist grabbed me by my shoulder, looked at me and yelled through the microphone,..."This boy is possessed by a demon!"

Oh, everyone was listening now. Sadly, my mom believed her along with everyone else.

The evangelist held me around the waist, facing the audience, watching this extravaganza and whishpered things in my ear, telling me to say certain things, to cry out etc. I didn't do it, by the grace of God, which created an uncomfortable moment. My mom was told, in my presence, off the side of the stage, that my "deliverance" will likely be a gradual one and that she would realize it when it happened. ??????

A couple of days later, back at the "camp meeting" I saw my mom speaking to the evangelist, apparently relating, some non-event, that had NOT happened.

But, (now having delievered me from demonic possession), had me back up on the "stage" facing the audience, arm around my waist and whispering in my ear, instructions, on speaking in tongues, post-facto of being filled with The Spirit apparently.

The evangelist literally whispered the phrases, (non-descript words) I was to repeat, to show I'd been delivered and filled with The Holy Spirit. I didn't do it...creating another awkward moment and I was dismissed back to my mother, she and the evangelist had a private conversation before we sat down. Later my mom asked me why I hadn't spoken in tongues and believes to this day I'm no "filled with the Spirit." Though she won't discuss or debate it with me because I show the error of that doctrine in God's Word pretty easily.

I've been a follower and disciple of Jesus Christ for 35 years now. The Lord drew me to Him, showed me the truth of who He is in His wonderful Word and has never let me go since.

I spent 21 years active duty in the military, travelling to some 40 different countries and now 9 years as a Police Officer, I've seen a lot and The Lord has protected me more times than I can count.

I am a serious student of God's Word, I refuse to believe what anyone says about His Word and measure all things by it.

Be careful my young brother. Be very careful who you allow to have a "word" for you, a "special revelation" or anything of the kind.

See if this isn't true:

Your account and all of the above, including all of the other overt "signs" and "evidences" of The Spirit, I've witnessed in several churches over the years ie; leaders, evangelists, "prophets" with special prophetic words, everyone speaking in tongues, contrary to what Paul wrote concerning its orerly conduct in Corinthians, being slain in the spirit, shaking in the spirit, laughing in the spirit, writhing on the ground and the list goes on, are all used to PLACE THEM IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY over those who HAVE NOT REACHED THEIR LEVEL OF SPIRITUALLITY AND GIFTEDNESS..."you haven't been truly filled with the spirit yet..." etc.

A measuring tool contained within scripture is this, the major role of The Holy Spirit is what? To help us remember all that our Lord has taught, to bring them to remembrance, to teach all things concerning His Word, to comfort us, to open the eyes and lead the lost to Christ, and ultimately to bring glory to God.

So, when you see, hear and are in the midst of these things as those questions, "Is this in keeping with God's Word? Is this honoring to God and to Christ? Is what 's going on here leading others to Jesus, if they were just observing and listening? In a nut-shell, HOW IS THIS HONORING TO GOD HIS WORD AND HIS SON?

God bless and keep you.

 

[stormdancer0]

How sad that happened to you. Whoever that person was is a charlatan and a liar. I am so sorry your mother was duped by him. I had never heard anyone speak in tongues when I received this gift, thank God, so there was no doubt that it was God. Please try not to be too hard on your mom. It is very easy to be pulled into a liar's web.

 

[Michaelismyname]

wow that is some testimony the "gospelforall"

it never ceases to stimulate my sense of justice when I hear of folk who do such wicked things and profane the Gospel by fraudulent behavior .May the Lord our God deliver us all from the deceptive ways of the enemy and keep us from evil in Jesus Name . it is done.

reminds me of the times i have been given the Pentecostal push as i like to call it lol .
and when whole lines of folk on either side of me had neatly fallen backward and i was standing they said - your thinking to much and your not recieiving ... haha, i was thinkng alright - i was thinking "i recieved exactly what you gave me ..A PUSH" !!

(you have to understand - when i was baptized in the Holy spirit no one was near me no one touched me - i shook .. no , vigorously vibrated from head to toe so much that my heals vibrated me sideways across the floor and my body bowed forward to the ground in the presence of the Power of God ... it happend again at home and in bed and many times since .i had visions and saw the power and the majesty of the Lord Jesus as KING OF KINGS and i was delivered from a 15 yr recurring nightmares that had so tormented me.

I know well the difference between the presence of the anointing and .. a push . lol.

I have begun to be cautious of some of these gift workshops some congregation run .. teaching people to prophesy based on thoughts and triggers ... hello folks! using visual triggers is called "reading" and it is carnal in nature ..that is to say- " of the flesh "

ok perhaps im having a rant now and i will allow myself to stand corrected .

but am i alone in noticing that over the 90's it became taught as unacceptableto prophycy anything over some one unless it sounded

edifying

...misinterpreted to be only positive sounding and encouraging ?

look at the prophets with Paul.." the man who wears this belt will be imprisoned etc (paraphrased) .. they prophesied only a negative happening .. such prophesy would be disallowed through the 90's and 2000's .yet had they silenced themselves due to its negativity they would have been untrue to the Spirit of God .
the use of this gift has been usurped to water down the truth that folk actually need to hear .
I used to seek to be prophesied over - but now i seek to know the Lord Jesus and hear from him .. and i have and do, PRAISE GOD.I ask the lord that no one would prophesy over me unless it is by the Holy Spirit .. i have had folk approach me and say ..... NOTHING ,they fall silent. Lord i say - it is enough I trust you .

 

[thegospel4all]

In the late 90's I was asked to assist a pastor at a Bible study, teaching and singing. I'd just seen the "Brownsville Blessing" and was amazed, not in a good way. I had a few discussions with folks about what God's Word says about what I saw and they "experienced" there. I did this with much respect, but they had no answers for me.

At the Bible study, some high-school and college youths were all excited about "The Brownville Blessing" and began to tell me their stories of shaking uncontrollably, laughing in the spirit, nodding their heads continually "in the spirit" how one girl was "slain" in the spirit at school and even wet herself...yes that's what they told me.

I opened The Word and began to delve into who The Holy Spirit is, why He was sent and His work and function in our lives and my final question...."How did any of these actions you've describe bring glory and honor to God or reach the lost? How did the young lady being slain in the spirit in the hall at school and wetting herself honor The Lord, bring glory to God or reach lost souls, that are on their way to a very real hell?"

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On the day of Pentecost, what happened?

Acts 2:
4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. 5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs--we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?

3000 souls were saved that day because they heard the wonders of God declared in their own language, which lead them to listen to Peter as The Spirit worked through him to convict their souls of sin and open their eyes to The Savior.

No shaking, falling down, laughing, grunting, jumping up and down, speaking in a nodescript, undistinguishable language.

God was glorified and The Spirit lead the lost to Jesus Christ.

 

[stormdancer0]

I can see how you would be skeptical. But don't throw out the good with the bad. As someone who has experienced speaking in tongues and being slain in the Spirit, I can assure you it is not all fake or ungodly.

 

[Michaelismyname]

I can see how you would be skeptical. But don't throw out the good with the bad. As someone who has experienced speaking in tongues and being slain in the Spirit, I can assure you it is not all fake or ungodly.

I agree fully - we must take care
I think it comes down to reading the word AND obeying the Holy Spirit .
I have laughed in the Spirit ..but i was weeping deeply actually - it came as laughter but it was so loving and so healing and restoring .
Then another time i began to laugh ..but then I extended it ..Note the word "I".
Not many people will be honest about these things - that in itself is a huge problem .

I so enjoyed the first experience i was trying to generate a repeat ..and just like that ..i'm walking in the flesh ..
i repented - took a while to admit to myself I had fallen into the old trap of seeking the gift rather then the giver - in that pursuit we do err greatly .

and i agree with the analogy of the outworking fruits of the Spirit .. but don't be to swift - fruits take time to be produced . and some we thought were crazy end up bringing forth good fruit and some we thought were so wonderfully holy bring forth bad fruit _only God know that heart. but for us - by their fruits you shall know them .

the lord took me from times of wonderful outpouring of his Holy Spirit into times so very dark had his hand not been upon my life i would now be dead and eternally lost - where he tested the foundations of all my life and proved to me what a pile of sand they were built on ..and he tore my life to the ground .
to the onlooker i was a back-slidden loser and hopeless case - i sit here now 15 years later , more in love with the Lord Jesus and more wiling to follow him then ever i could make myself be - because having pulled down my entire life to the ground .. HE then began to build it ( except the LORD builds the house ,they labor in vain that build it ...)and the work of HIS hands will not be shaken .

 

[jargew]

Hi,

I was browsing through the replies here, and I think you've received some very wise advice from BobCrabbio and Grace84.

Wait for confirmation and Don't let it get to you.
Remember, even people who prophesy are human. They sometimes make mistakes and insert their own opinions.
Some old-school pastors will see an earring in a man's ear and assume there's a spirit of homosexuality there.
My friend and I attended church one sunday when we were teens and the pastor accosted my friend in the porch and questioned his spirituality because he had worn sandals to church. I guess it was okay for Jesus to wear sandals, but not my friend.
Anyways, my point is we are human, and make mistakes.
Ask Christ about this issue yourself, Christ doesn't make mistakes.

 

[hopeinGod]

I have written in the past of my past "church" life. In the early days, we met in homes, which after a few years grew to the point of needing a building, usually a former nursery or business. We were all for growing in the Lord the best we knew how, since there wasn't the first one of us, including the "pastors," who had a truly solid foundation in Scripture. EVERY sermon was "borrowed" from the tapes of wellknown celebrities.

Still, as I say, we were doing the best we knew how. The location where this all took place was along the Florida coastline. Many of the guys were surfers who tied their boards on the tops of their cars and wore surfing shorts to the services. No one said anything about it, because, in those days, we were extremely anti-establishment. Doing things that weren't in keeping with "religious folks" was fine and dandy.

I suppose, if a surfer attended a Pentecostal church at any time in history, he'd be told to leave. For a season, during the early 70s, I was a member of a UP church, where, within a few months I was encouraged to cut my hair, shave my beard and forsake shorts. I conformed, being naive. Soon afterwards, I was delivered from such commandments of men when I discovered there is real liberty in Christ.