Incomplete lineage sorting

toolmanjantzi · Jul 2, 2013

Bungle_Bear said:
Did you miss the part about blue sky holidays? Lions live in Africa, Tigers in Asia. I don't care how big you think a lion's ***** is, 5,000 miles is just too far.

I'm glad you made that point. Because both tiger and lion come from the same family of Felidae. So at one time they were together, and a lion and a tiger would have bred, producing a Liger, but there are no Ligers in the wild.

If humans are from a evolutionary process, one would find Nenderthals/humans today also Ape/Neanderthal today and not just the dominant specie. You have apes, chimps, and humans.

Period.

Loudmouth · Jul 2, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
If humans are from a evolutionary process, one would find Nenderthals/humans today also Ape/Neanderthal today and not just the dominant specie.

Why?

toolmanjantzi · Jul 2, 2013

Shemjaza said:
I don't think anyone thinks humans come from chimps... They both come from the same ancestral ape group.

Dogs and wolves have only been separated for a few thousand years... chimps and humans have been separate for millions of years. More differences have racked up.

Check out our close family:

A is a modern chimp B is an Australopithecus. Much closer in structure. If you saw B alive today, you might mistake her for a chimp till you saw that she mostly walked on her hind legs and had what looked like human feet.

Don't tell the racists that! They'd be heart broken to find that the sons of Shem and Japheth were tainted by the Nephilim and only the sons of Ham were pure.

The problem is a skull is a skull is a skull.

I don't see these skulls in your picture, why?

It's called a deformity, or a intentional tribal look.

Maybe some humans come from Giraffe's.

toolmanjantzi · Jul 2, 2013

StormanNorman said:
The theory of evolution does NOT say that man came from a chimpanzee. The theory says that we (humans and chimps) share a common ancestor, e.g., were at one time the same species (neither human nor chimp), but branched off from one another 6 to 10 million years ago and evolved separately. During that time, we (chimps and humans) became no longer sexually compatible. Whether or not they could combine the DNA in a lab and create a living being, I don't know and don't want to know.

But you just stated at one point they were sexually compatible, therefore there should be a species if humanzee's.

BarryDesborough · Jul 2, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
But you just stated at one point they were sexually compatible, therefore there should be a species if humanzee's.

Before they went their separate ways. Some to continue, some to go extinct.

toolmanjantzi · Jul 2, 2013

Loudmouth said:
So which part of the neanderthal genome comes from angels?

German researchers publish full Neanderthal genome

I said maybe. You know for fact that scientists have indicated a alien gene in humans. And I'm not saying E.T., they are.

http://humansarefree.com/2011/05/scientists-alien-genes-in-human-dna.html?m=1

toolmanjantzi · Jul 2, 2013

Loudmouth said:
Why is it impossible? Please explain. Why can't isolated populations accumulate mutations over time to the point that they can no longer produce hybrid offspring?

My guess, it has to do with the number of chromosomes of the parents not pairing up during cell division.

toolmanjantzi · Jul 2, 2013

BarryDesborough said:
Before they went their separate ways. Some to continue, some to go extinct.

Sure, and where do we find this? Let alone the turtle, tortoise, and alligator,etc. why are there no new species that have came from them?

Why did the T-Rex and Brontosaurus not develop into more advanced creatures?

Loudmouth · Jul 2, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
I don't see these skulls in your picture, why?

What transitional features do these skulls have?

It's called a deformity, or a intentional tribal look.

Why can't we find an anatomically modern human skull in deposits that are 3 million years old as determined by radiometric dating? Why do we only find skulls that have a mixture of basal ape and modern human features?

Maybe some humans come from Giraffe's.

What derived giraffe features do they have?

Loudmouth · Jul 2, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
My guess, it has to do with the number of chromosomes of the parents not pairing up during cell division.

There are horse species with different numbers of chromosomes. In the case of the donkey and domesticated horse the offspring are almost all sterile (1 in 10,000 female mules are fertile). However, the domesticated horse and the przewalski's horse differ in chromosome number and they are able to produce viable, fertile offspring.

On top of that, there are humans with different chromosome counts that are quite healthy and are able to produce offspring with humans with "normal" counts, although at a lower rate.

"His chromosomes are arranged in a stable way that could be passed on if he met a nice girl who had 44 chromosomes too. And this would certainly be possible in the future given his family history."
The 44 Chromosome Man | Understanding Genetics

So a change in chromosome count can happen within a population and can be passed on, even becoming dominant in the population. On top of that, differences in chromosome count can result in speciation as seen with horses and donkeys.

Loudmouth · Jul 2, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
I said maybe. You know for fact that scientists have indicated a alien gene in humans. And I'm not saying E.T., they are.

Humans Are Free: Scientists: Alien Genes in Human DNA & Extraterrestrial Abilities to Modify DNA

You actually want us to take that website seriously? Really?

toolmanjantzi · Jul 2, 2013

Loudmouth said:
What transitional features do these skulls have?

Why can't we find an anatomically modern human skull in deposits that are 3 million years old as determined by radiometric dating? Why do we only find skulls that have a mixture of basal ape and modern human features?

What derived giraffe features do they have?

They have eyes, ears, nose, mouth, and a long neck. They also eat and sleep and sometimes have a wine coloured spot on them or pigmented spots.

toolmanjantzi · Jul 2, 2013

Loudmouth said:
There are horse species with different numbers of chromosomes. In the case of the donkey and domesticated horse the offspring are almost all sterile (1 in 10,000 female mules are fertile). However, the domesticated horse and the przewalski's horse differ in chromosome number and they are able to produce viable, fertile offspring.

On top of that, there are humans with different chromosome counts that are quite healthy and are able to produce offspring with humans with "normal" counts, although at a lower rate.

"His chromosomes are arranged in a stable way that could be passed on if he met a nice girl who had 44 chromosomes too. And this would certainly be possible in the future given his family history."
The 44 Chromosome Man | Understanding Genetics

So a change in chromosome count can happen within a population and can be passed on, even becoming dominant in the population. On top of that, differences in chromosome count can result in speciation as seen with horses and donkeys.

And yet the average rate of abnormal mutation within the human race with 44 chromosomes is lower then the average for handicap children. Why is that?

Split Rock · Jul 2, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
The problem is a skull is a skull is a skull.

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I don't see these skulls in your picture, why?

It's called a deformity, or a intentional tribal look.

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Maybe some humans come from Giraffe's.

You really think that anatomists can't tell the difference between a deformed and a non-deformed bone? You think that a physically deformed bone looks normal other than its shape?

Loudmouth · Jul 2, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
They have eyes, ears, nose, mouth, and a long neck.

Those are not derived giraffe features. Try again.

Loudmouth · Jul 2, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
And yet the average rate of abnormal mutation within the human race with 44 chromosomes is lower then the average for handicap children. Why is that?

Could you rephrase that? It doesn't make any sense.

I am still waiting for you to explain why it is impossible for the accumulation of population specific mutations to result in an inability to interbreed.

HitchSlap · Jul 2, 2013

Does anyone ever get the feeling that some creos here at CF understand ToE a bit like this?

South Park - Evolution by Mr. Garrison - YouTube

Loudmouth · Jul 2, 2013

HitchSlap said:
Does anyone ever get the feeling that some creos here at CF understand ToE a bit like this?

The crocoduck comes to mind.

toolmanjantzi · Jul 2, 2013

Loudmouth said:
You actually want us to take that website seriously? Really?

No, is rather you find a more legit website seriously that also indicates a alien gene. The website was the best I could come up with time constraints. My apologies if it is not peer reviewed.

So you would say all websites that have indicated an alien gene in humans to be of non-truth? Like I would say all Mormon websites are of little interest to the truth of Christianity. I can accept that if you do.

Unless you know of a website that does indicate the alien gene in human DNA, to be of a better scientific nature.

toolmanjantzi · Jul 2, 2013

Split Rock said:
You really think that anatomists can't tell the difference between a deformed and a non-deformed bone? You think that a physically deformed bone looks normal other than its shape?

I know that science has tried numerous of times to pass a ape tooth, as some evolutionary species of humans. would you say this unfortunate truth has never happened?

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