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Forge3 · Oct 6, 2012

I will only speak of love and respond with love to all replies. If you are going through tough times. If you have doubt, hate, self-loathing. Even if you scathe me flaming I will not report you but I doubt you will. So much Christian excellence here to edify me. I have insight on love through both pleasure and pain not just through suffering. Both aspects may teach us of highest love.

Alive_Again · Oct 6, 2012

Just remember that God loves you very much. God can heal you of the many things you spoke of on another thread. God dealt with me about healing in my own life. The scripture where Jesus asks "What would you have me do for you?" spoke to me and the God given desire within me was for healing.

I have since made it my prayer and meditation for God to work His healing power in my life to restore me from areas of wounding from earlier life. I seem to have faith for it and I keep professing it. Time spent in His presence acknowledging Him as my healer (i.e., during services, private worship, etc.) and He works His healing into my life. I keep agreeing and I won't give up until the work is done.

I went for decades knowing I needed healing and never once went beyond the weak begging stage for it. Now I'm ascending the hill of God/Bethel, so to speak and I'm obtaining. I've already been healed from a number of things that used to really get to me. God is a healer and if we keep coming and believing and receiving, even over time, we can obtain by having faith and patience.

For some (like me), it is necessary for God to heal me in order to carry the anointing He is wanting to pour out. It's the same for all who need it. I strongly encourage you to seek God and believe in this "process" of healing and stand by it and not be doubleminded. Don't just accept your infirmities. God can even lessen your dependency on medication. Don't just throw it away, but it may be, like others I have heard of, that He leads you to cut back on it or eventually find it unnecessary.

As per forum rules, I'm not encouraging you to stop taking any medication, and leave that to God, who is your healer and restorer to prompt you as appropriate in His time.

If Not For Grace · Oct 6, 2012

Forge3: What a great idea for a thread. Nothing but Love. Carry On!

Forge3 · Oct 6, 2012

Alive_Again said:
Just remember that God loves you very much. God can heal you of the many things you spoke of on another thread. God dealt with me about healing in my own life. The scripture where Jesus asks "What would you have me do for you?" spoke to me and the God given desire within me was for healing.

I have since made it my prayer and meditation for God to work His healing power in my life to restore me from areas of wounding from earlier life. I seem to have faith for it and I keep professing it. Time spent in His presence acknowledging Him as my healer (i.e., during services, private worship, etc.) and He works His healing into my life. I keep agreeing and I won't give up until the work is done.

I went for decades knowing I needed healing and never once went beyond the weak begging stage for it. Now I'm ascending the hill of God/Bethel, so to speak and I'm obtaining. I've already been healed from a number of things that used to really get to me. God is a healer and if we keep coming and believing and receiving, even over time, we can obtain by having faith and patience.

For some (like me), it is necessary for God to heal me in order to carry the anointing He is wanting to pour out. It's the same for all who need it. I strongly encourage you to seek God and believe in this "process" of healing and stand by it and not be doubleminded. Don't just accept your infirmities. God can even lessen your dependency on medication. Don't just throw it away, but it may be, like others I have heard of, that He leads you to cut back on it or eventually find it unnecessary.

As per forum rules, I'm not encouraging you to stop taking any medication, and leave that to God, who is your healer and restorer to prompt you as appropriate in His time.

You encourage me to stop mdication as per forum rules?
You mean well and are a good soul. I have made a contract with the mods and members of this forum to stay on meds. Read my thread " Sorry for those I have scandalized on here"...in the deeper fellowship section. I have already stopped taking medication a dozen time before for reasons of my own. Without them I become prideful because of my unresolves as of yet woundedness. My meds help me keep stable right now. Maybe I am weak in faith and need to leave them. But not yet.

Forge3 · Oct 6, 2012

If Not For Grace said:
Forge3: What a great idea for a thread. Nothing but Love. Carry On!

Thank-you

Alive_Again · Oct 6, 2012

As per forum rules, I'm not encouraging you to stop taking any medication, and leave that to God, who is your healer and restorer to prompt you as appropriate in His time.

You encourage me to stop mdication as per forum rules?

As I said, I'm NOT encouraging you to stop taking medication. I am encouraging you to seek healing as God IS a healer. He'll tell you what to do in your life to prepare or obtain this. I would guess that in Jesus' day, when they had complete healing manifest in their lives, they quit going to doctors.

I wouldn't advise that unless you know you're healing is manifested. For the time being, you can actually seek God for your healing.

meadowlark · Oct 8, 2012

Medications are often brought gradually down to a lower intake as you feel better. Better to keep in close consultation with a good doctor. Not all of His healings are instantanious. Paul's aflication was used for the glory of God so that in Paul's weakness he was made strong.

HeSaveDave · Oct 10, 2012

I need some brotherly love right now. Big changes coming in my life. I have zero family or friends. My health is terrible. I don't want to be alone anymore.

Forge3 · Oct 10, 2012

HeSaveDave said:
I need some brotherly love right now. Big changes coming in my life. I have zero family or friends. My health is terrible. I don't want to be alone anymore.

Help me to understand how you have no family members for support? Also have you looked into fellowship with your Church? What is happening with your health?

Alive_Again · Oct 10, 2012

Sorry to hear. Jesus loves you and above the cloud of this sometimes cold world lies a brilliant sun, full of hope and peace. When I feel this way, which I kind of did earlier today, I would go somewhere and sing along with a worship CD. There's nothing like the presence of the Lord to help bring you back out of a funk. Hopefully they have that in the Lutheran church where you are at. If not, you could consider visiting a church just for fun! I do that occasionally and in many churches, they have people who look for newcomers and make sure they feel welcome.

Church is the perfect place to make friends because you're likeminded. God can draw you into activities that take you out of "yourself" and have you interacting and drawing out of your own well also.

Anyway, Jesus loves you and He can improve your health too, but you may need to do something out of the ordinary to keep the world from closing in on you. Definitely find an anointed worship CD for starters. The anointing drives evil spirits from you (like Saul) and even when I was backslidden, if I thought I was on the verge on a panic attack (backsliding is a bad idea!), I'd pop in an instrumental CD that was anointed, and it would go away!

tturt · Oct 11, 2012

Forge3, yes thanks for this thread. Makes me think of Eph 3:17 "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God." This Scripture says I can understand His love. For me, the more I read about Yahweh's ways such as He sings over us (Zep 3:17), the more I'm realizing there's a nanosecond to nanosecond involvement.

HeSaveDave, I too extend a Christian hand to you. Like Alive Again, I love anointed music. What type of music do you like? I really like Paul Wilbur's because the focus is on Yahweh (http://www.christianforums.com/t7616835/). How awesome that you're mood is blessed. That's where my dh and I are too - no matter what's going on, we are so blessed to have Yahweh in our lives.

weariedsoul · Oct 11, 2012

HeSaveDave said:
I need some brotherly love right now. Big changes coming in my life. I have zero family or friends. My health is terrible. I don't want to be alone anymore.

I can relate, my health isnt good, no friends, no church and i feel alone much of the time, i do have some family though and my heart goes out to you, man i do know how it feels, your post is one that made me join this forum today. I have more problems than i can poke a stick at, i am emotionally unbalanced and suffer from an illness in my mind, its hard living like this.

As you say i want to go home now, im tired. However we must stay focused on the Lord friend, he will get us through this. We must press forward, fight the good fight of faith in Jesus Christ.

GigageiTsula · Oct 11, 2012

I would like to be a part of this thread too, Forge3. What a wonderful idea for a thread.

Alive_Again · Oct 11, 2012

Those of us who are suffering from things in our bodies or our minds and emotions, remember that (as you suspect), Jesus paid for each one of our healings and deliverances 2,000 years ago. What He did enabled us (and everyone else) to receive what we need from Him.

We need to learn how to receive it. Think of it as your inheritance as a son of God. As hard as it is to believe, God allowed us all to have certain experiences in this life that made us who we are. He did this so He would have the glory of your testimony telling others how He set you free.

When you came out of the world (Egypt), He separated you to Himself. He's calling you to your inheritance (Canaan land). You've been baptized, you've crossed the waters of Jordan (baptism) and you're waiting on instructions how to enter in and move into your Jericho. It's all in the Word of God. As we align ourselves with the plan of God, He increases His blessing and our experiential "knowledge of God". Our grace and peace will be multiplied and we'll increase in the inner man. Of course you've had some of your inheritance (the Holy Spirit, the earnest of our inheritance), but there is more for you in God than just being "saved".

We need to find out what is ours, and then learn how to receive it. If God were "next door" visiting the church next door and was going to grant you a request (if you're a believer) if you can find evidence of it (for believers) in the Bible, wouldn't you be gleaning promises from the Bible as fast as you could?

Well He's not only next door, He's here right now! He'll still grant your requests for what He's already promised the believer, but we must learn how to mix faith with the promise, so we can profit from it.

It's important to lay hold on some anointed teaching of the Word of God so we can learn what is ours and how to enter in to it.

It's also important to turn aside from things that we embrace that give us a measure of worldly "consolation". The things we resort to, because God doesn't seem to be moving for me. It's not really a rejection of God, but it's something else that seems to pacify our passivity and unbelief. Each person knows what that might be. If you'll trade that in for time investigating what God's plan for you is, and what He's given you as His child, then you'll be on your way out of the graveclothes you might have been wearing and making preparations to obtain your long awaited inheritance.

Picture that someone died, and left you an inheritance. You'd want to know what that was, right? If you've got physical problems, or mental issues, look into what God's Word says about healing, or the soul, and see if your need is covered. Then commit to finding out what it takes to lay hold on this.

Ask God to lead you to some teaching that will help put you on the path to wellness. Believe that He will! Be willing to step out of the graveclothes that we all somehow find ourselves in from time to time and into a future full of hope and an expected end.

weariedsoul · Oct 11, 2012

Alive_Again said:
Those of us who are suffering from things in our bodies or our minds and emotions, remember that (as you suspect), Jesus paid for each one of our healings and deliverances 2,000 years ago. What He did enabled us (and everyone else) to receive what we need from Him.

We need to learn how to receive it. Think of it as your inheritance as a son of God. As hard as it is to believe, God allowed us all to have certain experiences in this life that made us who we are. He did this so He would have the glory of your testimony telling others how He set you free.

When you came out of the world (Egypt), He separated you to Himself. He's calling you to your inheritance (Canaan land). You've been baptized, you've crossed the waters of Jordan (baptism) and you're waiting on instructions how to enter in and move into your Jericho. It's all in the Word of God. As we align ourselves with the plan of God, He increases His blessing and our experiential "knowledge of God". Our grace and peace will be multiplied and we'll increase in the inner man. Of course you've had some of your inheritance (the Holy Spirit, the earnest of our inheritance), but there is more for you in God than just being "saved".

We need to find out what is ours, and then learn how to receive it. If God were "next door" visiting the church next door and was going to grant you a request (if you're a believer) if you can find evidence of it (for believers) in the Bible, wouldn't you be gleaning promises from the Bible as fast as you could?

Well He's not only next door, He's here right now! He'll still grant your requests for what He's already promised the believer, but we must learn how to mix faith with the promise, so we can profit from it.

It's important to lay hold on some anointed teaching of the Word of God so we can learn what is ours and how to enter in to it.

It's also important to turn aside from things that we embrace that give us a measure of worldly "consolation". The things we resort to, because God doesn't seem to be moving for me. It's not really a rejection of God, but it's something else that seems to pacify our passivity and unbelief. Each person knows what that might be. If you'll trade that in for time investigating what God's plan for you is, and what He's given you as His child, then you'll be on your way out of the graveclothes you might have been wearing and making preparations to obtain your long awaited inheritance.

Picture that someone died, and left you an inheritance. You'd want to know what that was, right? If you've got physical problems, or mental issues, look into what God's Word says about healing, or the soul, and see if your need is covered. Then commit to finding out what it takes to lay hold on this.

Ask God to lead you to some teaching that will help put you on the path to wellness. Believe that He will! Be willing to step out of the graveclothes that we all somehow find ourselves in from time to time and into a future full of hope and an expected end.

I guess im believing in the reap what you sow doctrine, (not sowing seeds of prosperity necessarily) For example, Paul said think about what is good and lovely, maybe if i can do that then in time i will reap a more sound mind. I reject things like pride and covetousness within myself, I know that TV is full of unedifying filth that will not help my mind, but i grew up on TV so what can i do if im not watching TV? I cant really go do good works for others unless the opportunity arises where i live because i have great difficulty in social interaction, but i try to be a good neighbor. So what can i do? I try to obey the doctrine that the Lord and the Apostles gave us, i try to think about good things and im here on this forum instead of watching TV.

Funny, Even now negative thoughts come to mind, i think to myself "you say that now but later you will watch something on TV that isnt good because nothing on TV is good" (almost nothing) Its almost as if i must not watch TV at all, this may sound extreme but i think for me it may be what i need to do.

Im not sure if this is what you refer to or not, its all i know though. There is another thing i get tempted with and i feel totally powerless against it, that disturbs me more than anything. I dont know how to deal with it, im stuck in hard place, i cannot leave but if i stay i will be tempted, yet i cannot leave.

This may all sound confusing, if so im sorry.

Forge3 · Oct 11, 2012

Welcome Ani and all newcomers. I am busy at ministry today. I will be able to respond in more depth after work and add my own thoughts

Forge3 · Oct 12, 2012

Learning the lessons of caring for myself as I do for others.

I have seen many generous souls, being compassionate with others yet hard on themselves. They may not even realize this. For instance a friend or family member fails at something and is moping. They give them care and encouragement. Yet when they fail they are hard on and beat themselves up.

This was really my struggle. I am called to love my neighbour as myself. Am I not also called to love myself as my neighbour. Are we not all?

tturt · Oct 13, 2012

I understand what you're saying and something I've thought about a lot more recently. This is what the process looks like so far for me - We're to take every thought captive (II Cor 10:5) and renew our minds with His Word (Rom 12:2). I need to know what Yahweh says about me and accept it as His truth. Can I comfortably call myself a saint as we're referred to in Phi 4:21? Can I look in the mirror and say with assurance Yahweh totally accepts me? (Rom 3:22). V 23 I can readily believe - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" but struggle with the previous v. "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:..." Because of Yeshua's sacrifice and my belief in Him.

When I'm offended, upset, or mad, the focus is on me and I don't care a lot about what is going on with that other person at that moment. On the other hand, when the kids were growing up, I would think what is behind this behavior? statements? What is going on? But have trouble applying this to adults.

Getting my brain to switch from the "I" operation is a challenge. With The Holy Spirit's help, I can chose the fruit of the Spirit. Conversations and relationships go a lot better when love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance (Gal 5) are prominent.

Forge3 · Oct 13, 2012

tturt said:
I understand what you're saying and something I've thought about a lot more recently. This is what the process looks like so far for me - We're to take every thought captive (II Cor 10:5) and renew our minds with His Word (Rom 12:2). I need to know what Yahweh says about me and accept it as His truth. Can I comfortably call myself a saint as we're referred to in Phi 4:21? Can I look in the mirror and say with assurance Yahweh totally accepts me? (Rom 3:22). V 23 I can readily believe - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" but struggle with the previous v. "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:..." Because of Yeshua's sacrifice and my belief in Him.

When I'm offended, upset, or mad, the focus is on me and I don't care a lot about what is going on with that other person at that moment. On the other hand, when the kids were growing up, I would think what is behind this behavior? statements? What is going on? But have trouble applying this to adults.

Getting my brain to switch from the "I" operation is a challenge. With The Holy Spirit's help, I can chose the fruit of the Spirit. Conversations and relationships go a lot better when love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance (Gal 5) are prominent.

Relating to what you say here I think our transformation into sons and daughters of love grows in our 'hearts' as we accept the true and Divine love of God for us. This includes seeing ourselves as He sees us. Seeing what is so precious in us that He would suffer and die for us. And the growth of love and grace in our hearts as we accept them cascades over into ministry as naturally as water cascades as a waterfall. Even with eagerness we serve others and take good care of our precious selves seeing that and the life we have in Christ as something to honor in His name.

Now this is a process of letting go and letting God. Letting God reveal Himself to us through prayer and 'listening', being mindful. Some people have unhealthy images of God and may see Him as a policeman so to speak more so than ABBA, or any number of images in which His aspect of Divine love is shunted under an inage of judgment, policing, or keeping a record of our wrongs as a Divine clerk. This person needs to stop tranference of self with whatever harsh experiences they have had in the world unto God. This is a process of healing and to simplify letting God be God. These people are worthy of our prayer.

I have seen this in arguements/debates with atheists. And in their study select the aspect of God called justice/judgment and disavow Divine love from the big picture. So the debates center around what they have come to understand as a not so loving God against the message of Jesus.

weariedsoul · Oct 13, 2012

Forge3 said:
Relating to what you say here I think our transformation into sons and daughters of love grows in our 'hearts' as we accept the true and Divine love of God for us. This includes seeing ourselves as He sees us. Seeing what is so precious in us that He would suffer and die for us. And the growth of love and grace in our hearts as we accept them cascades over into ministry as naturally as water cascades as a waterfall. Even with eagerness we serve others and take good care of our precious selves seeing that and the life we have in Christ as something to honor in His name.

Now this is a process of letting go and letting God. Letting God reveal Himself to us through prayer and 'listening', being mindful. Some people have unhealthy images of God and may see Him as a policeman so to speak more so than ABBA, or any number of images in which His aspect of Divine love is shunted under an inage of judgment, policing, or keeping a record of our wrongs as a Divine clerk. This person needs to stop tranference of self with whatever harsh experiences they have had in the world unto God. This is a process of healing and to simplify letting God be God. These people are worthy of our prayer.

I have seen this in arguements/debates with atheists. And in their study select the aspect of God called justice/judgment and disavow Divine love from the big picture. So the debates center around what they have come to understand as a not so loving God against the message of Jesus.

We are taught to rejoice in the Lord, knowing that he loves us is helpful in that. I was thinking about what you said about seeing God as he sees us and i was reminded that we should also look at others as God sees them, we all are sinners, no one is good and no one seeks after God, no not one.

God sees us that way but he also shows mercy and urges us to seek Him and His kingdom instead of the kingdom of this world which is fallen and can only bring suffering and then death. Its easy to judge others but not easy to judge ourselves, if we try to see others as God sees them it becomes easier to love them, we are sinners and no better than anyone else, and when i picture people sitting in hell it makes me love them a little more because i know what that feels like, i wouldn't wish it on anyone, not even my worst enemy. Seeing others and ourselves as God sees us, and seeing God for what He really is, is helpful in humbling us and helpful in teaching us to love.

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