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[Resha Caner]

Quake Reveals Day of Jesus' Crucifixion : Discovery News

 

[AV1611VET]

Quake Reveals Day of Jesus' Crucifixion : Discovery News

Not.

From the link:

Researchers believe that Jesus, as described in the New Testament, was crucified on Friday April 3, 33 A.D.

Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

Compare:

John 13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Not.

From the link:


Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

Compare:

John 13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

When ya'll get that one sorted out, then maybe you can out if the curtain was rent in twain before or after Jesus breathed his last.

 

[AV1611VET]

When ya'll get that one sorted out, then maybe you can out if the curtain was rent in twain before or after Jesus breathed his last.

That's a no-brainer -- after.

In fact, the late C.I. Scofield says that is the exact moment that the dispensation of Law ended, and the dispensation of Grace started.

ETA: And what do you mean if 'we' get it sorted out? can't you guys do the same?

 

[Resha Caner]

Not.

Are you surprised that the media might overstate the case? Not I. If you read the article, it doesn't at all support the title.

I'm not interested in bickering over those details. It was merely the evidence for the earthquake that I found interesting. And while its fun to have an "expert" confirm things you believe in, I do wonder about the margin of error on such an investigation. Has this method been tried in attempts to confirm other past seismic events?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you surprised that the media might overstate the case?

You mean it was the media that came up with the date (April 3)?

Sorry -- I'm not buying it.

It says, 'Researchers.'

 

[Resha Caner]

You mean it was the media that came up with the date (April 3)?

Sigh. No. The article is throwing out a red herring. The 3 April date came from textural research correlated with Jewish practice. The earthquake evidence does no better than to place an earthquake within +/-5 years of that date, so it does nothing to help set the date ... at least not specifically to the day.

But, wow! +/-5 years on an event 2000 years in the past. That sounds like an optimistic margin of error to me. That's what piqued my interest. That along with the closing comments that the same guy also has some ideas about the darkness also mentioned.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sigh. No. The article is throwing out a red herring. The 3 April date came from textural research correlated with Jewish practice. The earthquake evidence does no better than to place an earthquake within +/-5 years of that date, so it does nothing to help set the date ... at least not specifically to the day.

But, wow! +/-5 years on an event 2000 years in the past. That sounds like an optimistic margin of error to me. That's what piqued my interest. That along with the closing comments that the same guy also has some ideas about the darkness also mentioned.

Look, Resha, I don't want to rain on your parade; but for the record, predicting an earthquake that is +/- five years of AD 33 isn't that big a deal.

My nephew can do that, and he's ... special.

But for the record, I have not read the article, and will now do so; since you mentioned the darkness.

(I want to see if it jives with the reason I've been saying it went dark.)

 

[CaliforniaSun]

That's a no-brainer -- after.

In fact, the late C.I. Scofield says that is the exact moment that the dispensation of Law ended, and the dispensation of Grace started.

ETA: And what do you mean if 'we' get it sorted out? can't you guys do the same?

Which gospel did Scofield write? Perhaps he should call the author of Luke and settle it then.

45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

 

[Norman321]

Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

That is the 14th day on the Jewish calendar. It is different from the calendar we use today.

EASTER - PASSOVER - PENTECOST DATES - YEARS 2000 -THRU- 2050

 

[Norman321]

In fact, the late C.I. Scofield says that is the exact moment that the dispensation of Law ended, and the dispensation of Grace started.

Is that based on Darby's teaching? It looks like there was a resurrection at that point in time:

49The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared to many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Is that based on Darby's teaching?

I guess so.

I go with Scofield's seven-theme classical dispensation, myself.

It looks like there was a resurrection at that point in time:

49The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared to many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

What does a resurrection have to do with dispensation theology?

Not even the Rapture is going to end the current dispensation.

Note: It will be the beginning of the end, but not the end itself.

Are you a Preterist?

 

[Norman321]

I go with Scofield's seven-theme classical dispensation, myself.

I read the Ryrie Study Bible twice. I am told that his notes teaches dispensationism.

What does a resurrection have to do with dispensation theology?

You said: "In fact, the late C.I. Scofield says that is the exact moment that the dispensation of Law ended, and the dispensation of Grace started." At that exact point in time there were 500 people resurrected from the grave.

Are you a Preterist?

I do not know what that is and I am not so sure I want to know.

 

[AV1611VET]

I read the Ryrie Study Bible twice. I am told that his notes teaches dispensationism.

Yes, I believe Charles Ryrie has his version of dispensational theology as well.

I'm not sure though, as I gave my Ryrie Study Bible away.

You said: "In fact, the late C.I. Scofield says that is the exact moment that the dispensation of Law ended, and the dispensation of Grace started." At that exact point in time there were 500 people resurrected from the grave.

Okay, and this has exactly what to do with the point at which the dispensation of the Law ended?

How many people throughout the Scriptures were resurrected? some by name.

Ever heard the story of the Valley of Dry Bones?

(People who wonder why they can't find evidence of the Jews wandering around in the wilderness for 40 years don't know that story, do they?)

I do not know what that is and I am not so sure I want to know.

Don't panic -- it's basic doctrine to some people.

If you can stomach evolution, you can stomach preterism.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Is that based on Darby's teaching?

Darby Crash?

 

[Norman321]

Okay, and this has exactly what to do with the point at which the dispensation of the Law ended?

I do not know what one has to do with the other.

How many people throughout the Scriptures were resurrected? some by name.

Not many, actually two Elijah and Enoch. A type of the church and a type of Isreal.

Ever heard the story of the Valley of Dry Bones?

Yes. Perhaps this is what is happening in Isreal today. They are starting to come back to life again.

(People who wonder why they can't find evidence of the Jews wandering around in the wilderness for 40 years don't know that story, do they?)

There are people that can find evidence.

 

[Norman321]

Darby Crash?

John Nelson Darby was an Anglo-Irish evangelist, and an influential figure among the original Plymouth Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism in the English vernacular.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

John Nelson Darby was an Anglo-Irish evangelist, and an influential figure among the original Plymouth Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism in the English vernacular.

Yes, I know who J. Darby is. Apparently my attemp at humor was lost on you. :o

 

[juvenissun]

Are you surprised that the media might overstate the case? Not I. If you read the article, it doesn't at all support the title.

I'm not interested in bickering over those details. It was merely the evidence for the earthquake that I found interesting. And while its fun to have an "expert" confirm things you believe in, I do wonder about the margin of error on such an investigation. Has this method been tried in attempts to confirm other past seismic events?

I am not sure how did Williams see earthquake from the "varves" (mis-used term). There might or might not be an earthquake. I don't see the occurrence is significant.

To analyze earthquake activity in the region, geologist Jefferson Williams of Supersonic Geophysical and colleagues Markus Schwab and Achim Brauer of the German Research Center for Geosciences studied three cores from the beach of the Ein Gedi Spa adjacent to the Dead Sea.

Varves, which are annual layers of deposition in the sediments, reveal that at least two major earthquakes affected the core: a widespread earthquake in 31 B.C. and an early first century seismic event that happened sometime between 26 A.D. and 36 A.D.