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In the beginning was Prajapati, the Brahman...

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Hello

Here's a verse from the Vedas which I've read recently in some thread here and one another website, and which really interested me:

"Prajapati vai idam agre aseet

Tasya vag dvitiya aseet

Vag vai paramam Brahman"

and the translation was:

"In the beginning was Prajapati, the Brahman

With whom was the Word

And the Word was the Supreme Brahman"

Can someone tell me where exactly in the Vedas that verse is?

I'm really curious about it, because that verse is almost exactly like one very well known Bible verse...

And one more question... What is Prajapati?
 

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Abdurrahim said:
Many similarities between different religions prove that G-d has sent messengers with their teaching to each community and most religions are changed versions of the same teaching of G-d.
Only One was prophecied by God to come in the Christ-ian OT/NC to the Abrahamic religions of Judais, Islam and Christianity, Jesus. The Koran says muhammad is the one, thus, making the God of the OT/OC to be a LIAR.

Romans 11:6 and so all Israel shall be saved, according as it hath been written, `There shall come forth out of Sion he who is delivering, and he shall turn away impiety from Jacob, 27 and this to them [is] the covenant from Me, when I may take away their sins.'

(Young) Isaiah 27:9 Therefore by this is the iniquity of Jacob covered, And this [is] all the fruit--To take away his sin, in His setting all the stones of an altar, As chalkstones beaten in pieces, They rise not--shrines and images.

Isaiah 59:20 And come to Zion hath a redeemer, Even to captives of transgression in Jacob, An affirmation of Jehovah. 21 And I--this [is] My covenant with them, said Jehovah, My Spirit that [is] on thee, And My words that I have put in thy mouth, Depart not from thy mouth, And from the mouth of thy seed, And from the mouth of thy seed's seed, said Jehovah, From henceforth unto the age!

Jerem 31:33 For this [is] the covenant that I make, With the house of Israel, after those days, An affirmation of Jehovah, I have given My law in their inward part, And on their heart I do write it, And I have been to them for God, And they are to me for a people. 34 And they do not teach any more Each his neighbour, and each his brother, Saying, Know ye Jehovah, For they all know Me, from their least unto their greatest, An affirmation of Jehovah; For I pardon their iniquity, And of their sin I make mention no more.
 
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Prophet Muhammad foretold in Hindu scriptures as well.

 
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Abdurrahim said:
Prophet Muhammad foretold in Hindu scriptures as well.
But muhammad wasn't the one prophecied in the OT.

Romans 11:6 and so all Israel shall be saved, according as it hath been written, `There shall come forth out of Sion he who is delivering, and he shall turn away impiety from Jacob, 27 and this to them [is] the covenant from Me, when I may take away their sins.'

(Young) Isaiah 27:9 Therefore by this is the iniquity of Jacob covered, And this [is] all the fruit--To take away his sin, in His setting all the stones of an altar, As chalkstones beaten in pieces, They rise not--shrines and images.

Isaiah 59:20 And come to Zion hath a redeemer, Even to captives of transgression in Jacob, An affirmation of Jehovah. 21 And I--this [is] My covenant with them, said Jehovah, My Spirit that [is] on thee, And My words that I have put in thy mouth, Depart not from thy mouth, And from the mouth of thy seed, And from the mouth of thy seed's seed, said Jehovah, From henceforth unto the age!

Jerem 31:33 For this [is] the covenant that I make, With the house of Israel, after those days, An affirmation of Jehovah, I have given My law in their inward part, And on their heart I do write it, And I have been to them for God, And they are to me for a people. 34 And they do not teach any more Each his neighbour, and each his brother, Saying, Know ye Jehovah, For they all know Me, from their least unto their greatest, An affirmation of Jehovah; For I pardon their iniquity, And of their sin I make mention no more.
 
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Very clear prophecies.

 
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What Scriptures are you talking about?

Are you saying God in the OT/OC LIED to us and it was muhammad that came to take away the Sin of the world
(Young) John 1:29 on the morrow John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, `Lo, the Lamb of God, who is taking away the sin of the world;
Romans 11:6 and so all Israel shall be saved, according as it hath been written, `There shall come forth out of Sion he who is delivering, and he shall turn away impiety from Jacob, 27 and this to them [is] the covenant from Me, when I may take away their sins.'

(Young) Isaiah 27:9 Therefore by this is the iniquity of Jacob covered, And this [is] all the fruit--To take away his sin, in His setting all the stones of an altar, As chalkstones beaten in pieces, They rise not--shrines and images.

Isaiah 59:20 And come to Zion hath a redeemer, Even to captives of transgression in Jacob, An affirmation of Jehovah. 21 And I--this [is] My covenant with them, said Jehovah, My Spirit that [is] on thee, And My words that I have put in thy mouth, Depart not from thy mouth, And from the mouth of thy seed, And from the mouth of thy seed's seed, said Jehovah, From henceforth unto the age!

Jerem 31:33 For this [is] the covenant that I make, With the house of Israel, after those days, An affirmation of Jehovah, I have given My law in their inward part, And on their heart I do write it, And I have been to them for God, And they are to me for a people. 34 And they do not teach any more Each his neighbour, and each his brother, Saying, Know ye Jehovah, For they all know Me, from their least unto their greatest, An affirmation of Jehovah; For I pardon their iniquity, And of their sin I make mention no more.
 
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Abdurrahim said:
Prophet Muhammad foretold in Hindu scriptures as well.

According to traditional Vedic calculations the Kalki avatar is not set to come for another 427,000 yrs, at the end of the Kali Yuga. And of course he will not contradict the words of past incarnations of God [like Lord Krishna.. please read the Bhagavad Gita online].

History tells us Muslims erroneously tried to tie these Vedic prophecies in with Muhammed to try and get naive (and uneducated) Hindus to convert to Islam.
 
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They try to do the same thing with Christians.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2925815-did-muhammad-bring-the-nc-promised-in-ot.html

[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46057

A mob of 50 "Hindu radicals" today ransacked an Assembly of God church building in India desecrating the Bible, sources on the ground report. [/FONT][FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]According to Voice of the Martyrs, which monitors Christian persecution worldwide, the attack occurred at 12:15 p.m. local time in Lakshmipuram, Ulsoor, Bangalore, India. [/FONT]
 
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Abdurrahim said:
Prophet Muhammad foretold in Hindu scriptures as well.

Full of crap all these are lies propagated by muslims, I also had the belief till i read the actual source.

Muhammad was never foretold in Hindu scriptures. Its pure nonsense. I have refuted many of these claims with accurate rebuttal. Muslims ran away from my questions from ummah.com and whyislam.org, I've proof them wrong, you want me to do it here, no problem with that dude.
 
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I have search high and low in the Vedas and no such verse exist in the first place. The word of God has no mention in actual Hindu Scriptures. This could be done by some Hindu zealots who wanted to unite different religions. Thru the intentions are good, the truth is Christianity is different from the Vedic Religion.
 
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ok, thanks for telling me!
 
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:: Starlight :: said:
ok, thanks for telling me!

actually that's not the case, I will find it for you, give me a second.

I shall fully describe the Supreme Being --- the object of knowledge. By knowing this one at*tains immortality. The beginningless Supreme Being is said to be neither eternal nor temporal. (See also 9.19, 11.37, and 15.18) (13.12)
In the beginning there was neither Eternal Being nor Temporal Beings; no sky, no air, neither day nor night. There was nothing else whatsoever other than the Absolute Supreme Being (RV 10.129.01, AiU 1.01). The Absolute is beyond both Temporal Beings (celestial controllers, Devas) and the Eternal Being (the Spirit) (Verse 15.18). Therefore, He is neither temporal, nor eternal. The Supreme Being or the Absolute is also both temporal and eternal (Verse 9.19) and beyond temporal and eternal (Verse 11.37, 15.18); because, He is everywhere, in everything, and also beyond everything. Therefore, the Absolute is all three --- neither temporal nor eternal; beyond both temporal and eternal, as well as both temporal and eternal --- at the same time.
The Supreme Being has His hands, feet, eyes, head, mouth, and ears eve*rywhere, because He is all-pervading and omnipresent. (13.13)
He is the perceiver of all sense objects without the physical sense organs; unattached, and yet the sustainer of all; devoid of the three modes of material Nature, and yet the enjoyer of the modes of material Nature by becoming the living entity. (13.14)
The Self walks without legs, hears without ears, performs many actions without hands, smells without a nose, sees without eyes, speaks without a mouth, and enjoys all tastes without a tongue. All His actions are so marvelous that one finds His greatness utterly beyond description (TR 1.117.03-04). The Supreme Being may be de*scribed only by parables and paradoxes and in no other way. (See also ShU 3.19). Self expands Himself as the living entity to enjoy three modes of material Nature.
God does not possess a body like an ordinary being. All His senses are transcendental, or out of this world. His potencies are multifarious. Any one of His senses can perform the action of any other sense. All His deeds are automatically performed as a natural consequence.
He is inside as well as outside all beings, animate and inanimate. He is incomprehensible because of His subtlety. And because of His omnipresence, He is very near --- residing in one’s inner psyche --- as well as far away in the Supreme Abode. (13.15)
He is undivided, yet appears to exist as if divided in beings. He is the ob*ject of knowledge and appears as the creator (Brahmaa), sustainer (Vishnu), and destroyer (Shiva) of all be*ings. (See also 11.13, and 18.20) (13.16)
One planet earth appears divided into so many countries, one country appears divided into several states, one state appears divided into counties and so on; similarly, one Reality ap*pears as many. These are apparent divisions, because they have the same order of reality. The term God is used for the Generator, Operator, and Destroyer aspects of the Self.
The Supreme Being is the source of all lights. He is said to be beyond darkness of ignorance. He is Self-knowledge, the object of Self-knowledge, and seated in the inner psyche as consciousness (See verse 18.61) of all beings, He is to be realized by Self-knowledge. (13.17)


All of these are from the Gita, and the Rig Veda (Oldest Document in Human History).

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rvsan
http://vedabase.net/bg/en

Keep in mind Sanskrit has more words than English, hence some words don't have an exact translation but the next best thing. Hence there are thousands of translations of the same sanskrit literature. If you really wish to understand what the literature is speaking of and the spirit behind it, one should learn sanskrit.
 
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Thanks for the post! It was really interesting to read... That's some really deep knowledge about God there! It makes me want to read the Vedas and the Gita... well, I'll probably do it eventually, when I have time

But, there's nothing similar to what I posted there...
 
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You do know Vedas are thousands and thousands of literatures right?

But all you need to know about Hinduism is in the Bhagavad Gita, I promise.
 
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srev2004 said:
You do know Vedas are thousands and thousands of literatures right?

But all you need to know about Hinduism is in the Bhagavad Gita, I promise.
Yes, I know... But I've heard that the Upanishads are the most important, like the essence of the Vedas...

And thanks for telling me, I'll read it first Is it very long?

So, can you find anything in the Vedas similar to what I posted in the OP?
 
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