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This is a thread for the more philosphically-minded. Discuss. I'll chime in a little later as I do not have time to parse out my thoughts on this, but I'm interested to get the discussion going.
This is a thread for the more philosphically-minded. Discuss. I'll chime in a little later as I do not have time to parse out my thoughts on this, but I'm interested to get the discussion going.
Heh. I once read a paper on abiogenesis by Eugene Koonin, who is a quite out-of-the-box thinker. In it he despaired that we've been unable to describe a mechanism for the origin of life, and then he proposed a solution: he posited that life was guaranteed to exist somewhere because in the multiverse every possibility, no matter remote, is eventually guaranteed to occur.
My first thought was to want to ask him if that meant somewhere there was a universe where Jesus Christ died for our sins and we can be forgiven and resurrected.
More seriously, I think the OP question is an interesting one. Myself, I think the eternal nature of God puts him beyond a multiverse.
This is a thread for the more philosphically-minded. Discuss. I'll chime in a little later as I do not have time to parse out my thoughts on this, but I'm interested to get the discussion going.
This is a thread for the more philosphically-minded. Discuss. I'll chime in a little later as I do not have time to parse out my thoughts on this, but I'm interested to get the discussion going.
Like Eudaimonist said, the Triune God is transcendent, and is the creator of everything there is, so He can't be an effect of the physics He created.
In an infinite multi-verse where all possible universes exist, if Gods are a possibility, some non zero number of universes may be made possible by possible Gods.
No, Chesterton is right on that one, IMO.
In any question about possible universes (as in a multiverse), it is meaningless to talk about the "possibility of God". Universes don't determine such possibilities. No matter how different they may be, that says nothing about the existence of God(s).
This seems to sum it up. I was going to write out a longer treatise, but the more I think about it, the more my thought process descends into absurdity...What a mess.
I am saying that when you are talking about the possibility of a universe you are talking about all aspects of that universe including how it came to be.
If universe creating Gods are possible, then in an infinite multiverse where all that is possible is actual, all possible universe creating Gods created all possible God created universes.
I agree that in a multiverse everything that is possible is guaranteed to occur, but that assumes that there is a multiverse with infinite variation and that it is possible for life to arise by chance.
It's hard to conceive that the Earth is 4.5bn years old, but we know it is. It's hard to conceive the idea that space time gets warped by mass, but we know it does. That something is hard for us to understand does not mean it is not accurate.It's hard to conceive of just one universe contained in a singularity that went bang....let alone multiple or infinite universes.
Can you support the assertion that anything 'created itself' 'out of nothing'? This is not a scientific position.......all creating themselves out of nothing...
I don't see how. You should be talking about what a universe is, not how it came about.
It's hard to conceive that the Earth is 4.5bn years old, but we know it is. It's hard to conceive the idea that space time gets warped by mass, but we know it does. That something is hard for us to understand does not mean it is not accurate.
Can you support the assertion that anything 'created itself' 'out of nothing'? This is not a scientific position.
One does not follow the other, as time as we conceive it is meaningless prior to the Big Bang. You talk about nothing as though it has the property of existence. Before there was something, there was nothing, as in, no existence as we know it to speak of, period.If your assertions that the big bang happened....then the stuff of the BB had to have created itself from nothing...or was created by God.
My friend, we all will die, and all will be for naught. All thinking, all reasoning, all logic, is mental masturbation. Nothing we do matters in the cosmic sense. The universe will forget we were ever here, sooner than we think. But if we as individuals find meaning in what we do, that's what matters. So what is "pointless reasoning" to you may be stimulating to others, despite the fact that it is indeed, in the end, nothing more than mental masturbation.Don't you see how pointless this sort of reasoning is? It's mental masturbation, and a disgrace to philosophy.
If your assertions that the big bang happened....then the stuff of the BB had to have created itself from nothing...or was created by God. Considering you can't self create...be and not be at the same time...God is the only other choice.
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