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[bugkiller]

I read a book saying that the ten commandments were given and meant to be broken. I agree with that statement. I ask do you know anyone except Jesus that has kept them?

bugkiller

 

[PROPHECYKID]

I read a book saying that the ten commandments were given and meant to be broken. I agree with that statement. I ask do you know anyone except Jesus that has kept them?

bugkiller

You say kept them meaning kept them perfectly. You do know that all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory. When God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge Good and Evil, did he do that so that they would break it. Just like how he had a plan to deal with their sin in case they sinned is the same way he has the same plan to deal with our sin. He didn't give the commandments for us to break for even if he didn't give them to Moses we would still be breaking them and it would still be sin. Cain committed murder and it was a sin. The point is that Jesus has no sin and that means that he can save us from our sins.

 

[k4c]

You say kept them meaning kept them perfectly. You do know that all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory. When God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge Good and Evil, did he do that so that they would break it. Just like how he had a plan to deal with their sin in case they sinned is the same way he has the same plan to deal with our sin. He didn't give the commandments for us to break for even if he didn't give them to Moses we would still be breaking them and it would still be sin. Cain committed murder and it was a sin. The point is that Jesus has no sin and that means that he can save us from our sins.

Amen...ProKid

When we do sin ie; break God's Law, God tells us to confess it and He will forgive us. He is able to do this because Jesus is our advocate.

God's grace is seen in that He does't give us what we deserve when we break His Law but His grace does not mean we now have free right to break His Law.

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!

The Law define godliness and God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness.

Titus 2:11-13 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

To deny ungodliness means keeping the commandments.

This is truth 101...

 

[bugkiller]

You say kept them meaning kept them perfectly. You do know that all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory. When God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge Good and Evil, did he do that so that they would break it. Just like how he had a plan to deal with their sin in case they sinned is the same way he has the same plan to deal with our sin. He didn't give the commandments for us to break for even if he didn't give them to Moses we would still be breaking them and it would still be sin. Cain committed murder and it was a sin. The point is that Jesus has no sin and that means that he can save us from our sins.

I have several problems with what you say.

Are you redefining what the word keep means. I don't find any sorta idea in the definition. I would think keep is an either or idea. If you can keep the commandments you have no need of a Redeemer/Savoiur. This seems to be a major problem with your religion. Jesus said unless your righteousness exceds that of the scribes and pharisees you can not get into heaven. And without this righteousness you can't get into heaven. sowhere are you going to get it? It can't be by the law because you sin. The problem is you can't help yourself. It is your nature. I think Romans 5:13 gives the reason for the law. I think the rest of the chapter has some very valuable information for you. check v 17 the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by One, Jesus Christ. V 20 reinforces v 13 and v 21 does the same for v 17.

Yes but the fact that Cain committed murder is not proof that the ten commandments were in effect. Scripture clearly says that the law came 430 years after Abraham.

You can transgress the law and not sin. Examples would be the commands of God to kill everything that breathes when the COI took over Canaan. Another easy one is the priest which even Jesus said profane the sabbath and are not guilty of sin.

bugkiller

 

[k4c]

I have several problems with what you say.

Are you redefining what the word keep means. I don't find any sorta idea in the definition. I would think keep is an either or idea. If you can keep the commandments you have no need of a Redeemer/Savoiur. This seems to be a major problem with your religion. Jesus said unless your righteousness exceds that of the scribes and pharisees you can not get into heaven. And without this righteousness you can't get into heaven. sowhere are you going to get it? It can't be by the law because you sin. The problem is you can't help yourself. It is your nature. I think Romans 5:13 gives the reason for the law. I think the rest of the chapter has some very valuable information for you. check v 17 the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by One, Jesus Christ. V 20 reinforces v 13 and v 21 does the same for v 17.

Yes but the fact that Cain committed murder is not proof that the ten commandments were in effect. Scripture clearly says that the law came 430 years after Abraham.

You can transgress the law and not sin. Examples would be the commands of God to kill everything that breathes when the COI took over Canaan. Another easy one is the priest which even Jesus said profane the sabbath and are not guilty of sin.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Hey thanks for admitting I am correct. How nice of you.

bugkiller

 

[k4c]

Hey thanks for admitting I am correct. How nice of you.

bugkiller

Let me translate for you...this means you're wrong...and this means you're right...

Jesus redeemed us from our sin debt. He didn't redeem us so we can worship other Gods, use God's name in vain, use idols in worship, forget the Sabbath, murder, steal, lie and so on.

Remember, in the new covenant God gives us His Spirit and empowers us to keep His commandments. It's a power not of ourselves, which removes all self glory and self exaltation but it does fill us with love, which removes all burdens from keeping the commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

 

[bugkiller]

Let me translate for you...this means you're wrong...and this means you're right...

Jesus redeemed us from our sin debt. He didn't redeem us so we can worship other Gods, use God's name in vain, use idols in worship, forget the Sabbath, murder, steal, lie and so on.

Remember, in the new covenant God gives us His Spirit and empowers us to keep His commandments. It's a power not of ourselves, which removes all self glory and self exaltation but it does fill us with love, which removes all burdens from keeping the commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

May I ask who is or where did I faintly give permission or indorse anything in your first paragraph? Not in this forum or site. Or any other place you can think of.

The NC Christian is not under the law (law of Moses which includes the ten commandments.) Jer 31:31-34 says that the NC is new entirely different form the covenant with the COI issued at Sinai umsitakably identified in Deut 4:13 as the ten commandments. The SDA folks I get answers from insist that this is a renewed covenant. I understand how you can make a mistake about the words in Jeremiah. I do not understand how you can have that same mistake in it mirrior quote in Hebrews 8:8-13. The word new in Hebrews is kainos and not even close to the coresponding word renew which is neos.

Where do you get the idea that the Holy Spirit gives us the ability to keep the law of Moses including the ten commandments? My ungodly neighbor exhibits none of your above named sin. I have quoted Gal 5:16-21 which deals squarely with those issues.

You are attempting to marry opposing laws (covenants). This is both adultery and necrophilia Romans 7. The law is a dead husband. We burry the dead not continue a marriage relationship. Gal 4:30 says to throw out the law, it has nothing to do with the promise. Gal 5:4 tells us that if we subject ourselves to the law that Jesus Christ's death burrial and resurrection have no effect - In other words you are not and cannot be saved or redeemed. James 2:10 tells us that the law is a single undivisible unit. If one part is viable it all is. There are 613 laws one must keep. This includes all the regulations of the sabbath as detailed in the law.

You include a quote of I John 5:3 and never quote or refer to I John 3:23. Why is this? That verse clearly says there is only one commandment from God and that is to obey the commandments of His Son Jesus Christ. Now where did you say that Jesus Christ tells anyone to keep the sabbath. I need you to locate it for me as I can not find it.

I think the key to my above question is your definition of the word commandment.

bugkiller

 

[k4c]

May I ask who is or where did I faintly give permission or indorse anything in your first paragraph? Not in this forum or site. Or any other place you can think of.

The NC Christian is not under the law (law of Moses which includes the ten commandments.) Jer 31:31-34 says that the NC is new entirely different form the covenant with the COI issued at Sinai umsitakably identified in Deut 4:13 as the ten commandments. The SDA folks I get answers from insist that this is a renewed covenant. I understand how you can make a mistake about the words in Jeremiah. I do not understand how you can have that same mistake in it mirrior quote in Hebrews 8:8-13. The word new in Hebrews is kainos and not even close to the coresponding word renew which is neos.

Where do you get the idea that the Holy Spirit gives us the ability to keep the law of Moses including the ten commandments? My ungodly neighbor exhibits none of your above named sin. I have quoted Gal 5:16-21 which deals squarely with those issues.

You are attempting to marry opposing laws (covenants). This is both adultery and necrophilia Romans 7. The law is a dead husband. We burry the dead not continue a marriage relationship. Gal 4:30 says to throw out the law, it has nothing to do with the promise. Gal 5:4 tells us that if we subject ourselves to the law that Jesus Christ's death burrial and resurrection have no effect - In other words you are not and cannot be saved or redeemed. James 2:10 tells us that the law is a single undivisible unit. If one part is viable it all is. There are 613 laws one must keep. This includes all the regulations of the sabbath as detailed in the law.

You include a quote of I John 5:3 and never quote or refer to I John 3:23. Why is this? That verse clearly says there is only one commandment from God and that is to obey the commandments of His Son Jesus Christ. Now where did you say that Jesus Christ tells anyone to keep the sabbath. I need you to locate it for me as I can not find it.

I think the key to my above question is your definition of the word commandment.

bugkiller

Jer 31:31-34 speaks of the law of the OC in the preceeding verses and then states that it will be written on the heart.

How do you define love towards God?

 

[bugkiller]

Jer 31:31-34 speaks of the law of the OC in the preceeding verses and then states that it will be written on the heart.

How do you define love towards God?

Will you kindly explain verse 32? Here it is: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

I need you to identify the covenant that they broke because it is not like the new covenant.

If there is going to be a new covenant what good would that do if the only thing that changes is from physical stone to the heart? Movement does not make anything new.

Thanks in advance.

bugkiller

 

[k4c]

Will you kindly explain verse 32? Here it is: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

I need you to identify the covenant that they broke because it is not like the new covenant.

If there is going to be a new covenant what good would that do if the only thing that changes is from physical stone to the heart? Movement does not make anything new.

Thanks in advance.

bugkiller

Old Covenant...led by hand. New Covenant...led by heart.

Old Covenant...governed the outward actions of man through fear of punishement and condemnation.

New Covenant...governs the inward thoughts of man through love, grace and forgivness replaces punishment, perfect love casts out fear.

It's all very simple...

 

[bugkiller]

Old Covenant...led by hand. New Covenant...led by heart.

Old Covenant...governed the outward actions of man through fear of punishement and condemnation.

New Covenant...governs the inward thoughts of man through love, grace and forgivness replaces punishment, perfect love casts out fear.

It's all very simple...

You really think that is the changes that Jeremiah is talking about?

bugkiller

 

[k4c]

You really think that is the changes that Jeremiah is talking about?

bugkiller

http://www.christianforums.com/t7467389/#post54722077

 

[bugkiller]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7467389/#post54722077

Yeah I been der, even said sumtin. Didn't cha read muh words? Cain't ya say yaeh er nay?

bugkilla

 

[k4c]

You really think that is the changes that Jeremiah is talking about?

bugkiller

God does...

 

[bugkiller]

God does...

bugkiller

 

[k4c]

bugkiller

Jude 1:18 They were telling you, "In the last times, there will be men who will make fun of you. They won't want God; they will follow their own desires.''

Matthew 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

 

[bugkiller]

Jude 1:18 They were telling you, "In the last times, there will be men who will make fun of you. They won't want God; they will follow their own desires.''

Matthew 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Who is practicing lawlessness? Tain't me. I am under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus...Roman 8:2

I have no idea how Jeremiah can be saying that movement makes something new. This boggles the mind. Jeremiah says specifically not according to the covenant God made with their fathers. I would take this to mean like or similar. Verse 31 supports this (my idea). The word new is chadash pronounced khaw-dawsh meaning fresh new, new thing. The definition is written with the modern day meaning of new. Since you will undoubtable say it is chadash pronounced khaw-dash I refer you to its mirrior quote in Hewbrews 8:8 where the word is kainos and can not be mistaken for neos.

I have noticed that you stopped using the half sentence you normally quote: only vs 33 and 34.

bugkiller

 

[k4c]

Who is practicing llawlessness? Tain't me. I am under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus...Roman 8:2

I have no idea how Jeremiah can be saying that movement makes something new. This boggles the mind. Jeremiah says specifically not according to the covenant God made with their fathers. I would take this to mean like or similar. Verse 31 supports this (my idea). The word new is chadash pronounced khaw-dawsh meaning fresh new, new thing. The definition is written with the modern day meaning of new. Since you will undoubtable say it is chadash pronounced khaw-dash I refer you to its mirrior quote in Hewbrews 8:8 where the word is kainos and can not be mistaken for neos.

I have noticed that you stopped using the half sentence you normally quote: only vs 33 and 34.

bugkiller

I'm not sure what you're referring to with vs 33 and 34?

 

[bugkiller]

I'm not sure what you're referring to with vs 33 and 34?

Oh pleeeeease. You quote Jer 31:33, 34 which is just half of the sentence. What else have we been talking about in Jeremiah? I usually quote the whole sentence which starts in verse 31. I never quote half of it or refer to half of it.

bugkiller