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The biggest problem I have encountered seeking after the Biblical God is the requirement he places upon men to be sexually pure creatures. I refer specifically to the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, where he likens the realm of a person's innermost thoughts and attitude to being equivalent to external behaviour.

Matthew 5:27-30 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

I find this teaching particularly cruel, not only because it is impossible to obey (for most men), but because the consequences of disobedience are so explicitly highlighted.

Whether one believes in evolution or not, it seems fairly obvious that men share with animals the same desire to find a mate and produce offspring. Whereas some mammals use their sense of smell as the prime way to determine the fitness and fertility of potential mates, it seems that humans partly use their sense of sight.

In response to this, it is likely no accident that females advertise their fitness and fertility through visual displays, like wide hips and abundant reserves of energy placed at key locations on their bodies. The fascination male humans have with female genitals could also be understood as a practical way of determining the presence of disease and sexual readiness.

With the human male's strong instinct to reproduce his genes, it is understandable he should assess potential mates at every opportunity. But this is the very thing that Jesus forbids as lustfully looking at women.

To add an even more troubling layer to this problem, research into human sexuality by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jethá, seems to reveal that humans simply are not meant to be monogamous. Like Bonobos, sexuality is not only a means for reproduction, but also of social regulation. This helps to explain how even heterosexual men will engage in homosexual sex during times of war, prison, or any other female lacking environment.

If you are still reading, here is the real dilemma:

Although it is difficult, it is not impossible to consciously obey the teachings of Jesus in regard to this matter. There have been times during which I have faithfully practiced such teachings to the utmost of my ability. Even going to the extreme of forbidding myself from watching television or being exposed to any influence of fleshly delight.

But instead enjoying a close bond with God during such times, where I could feel his presence and Spirit's approval, and where it felt like I was reclining in his sweet embrace; during such times God always felt absent. So as a consolation, I would begin to approve of myself. To feel good about how righteous I was. How good I was for being good and having a clear conscience. Then I would take pleasue comparing myself to others who were less successful.

When I obeyed Jesus I became a Pharisee from Hell! With my crystal clear conscience, I would feel it was my God given duty to point out the faults of other sinners.

Yet it was at times of failure, and worthlessness, when I approached God in abject despair and sorrow, that God felt most present with me. At such times God's love seemed to beam down upon me with approval.

So either I obey Jesus and become a Pharisee, or I resign myself to my animal nature and sin openly but can't have fellowship with God, or I play this impossible game where I pretend to be good and repent, knowing fully well I must return to sinning, but I cannot consciously acknowledge this or the game is over.

The only solution I can see (and retain my faith) is to repent once and for all time to God regarding my sinful nature, and to commit suicide, probably by starvation or dehydration, rather than with violence. Maybe drive out into the desert as far as possible, run out of fuel, and then find myself in a situation where I can't avoid death even if I wanted to.

This is the kind of radical solution that I think Jesus fully expects from Matthew 5:27-30. The alternative is that I resign myself to sin, which means I cannot fellowship with God (John 14:21), which means I go to eternal punishment, or I become a pharisee and still go to Hell, only it is a surprise to me at the time (Matthew 7:23).

An alternative solution, the one I am now following, is to assume the Bible is not to be taken literally, and does not have the same authority as my own common sense. And that it is okay to rest my relationship with God at times when he seems distant and disinterested in my existence, and I'm not in any kind of emotional or material crisis.

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Honesty is a good thing. The extreme of asceticism, death by starvation, is the logical conclusion of Jainism. If you've never met anyone of that religion, now you know why. So since you're not looking to practice Jainism, that is not a logical step.

Being ready to die, is a very Christian attitude. Love your life and lose it; lay down your life for His sake and the sake of the Kingdom, and find it.

You have found what Paul said, that when sin abounds Grace does much more abound. Throw into this mix that in Jesus' day and culture, there essentially was no such thing as a single person. Marriages were arranged by your parents long before you hit puberty, and often before you were even born. You also consummated that marriage as a teen, and often as a very early teen.

The best thing i know to say, is to invite Jesus into this aspect of your life, as awkward as that may be. Stay honest!
 
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Jesus sometimes used hyperbole to emphasise His point. I have read that via the Sermon on the Mount Jesus confronted the Jews who believed they were righteous before God because they kept the Law perfectly. Jesus reminded them that outward appearances of righteousness wasn't enough for a perfect God who can see people's hearts as well. 1+Samuel+16.7/ That means that any person who is honest enough with themselves knows there is no way they can please a perfect God. Romans 3:9-20

That is where christians who don't understand God's grace where it comes to their own sinful nature get into trouble.
cheap grace - convince themselves that God doesn't care about sin any more and that saying they believe in Jesus is enough. No changed behaviour, no good witness to non-believers, appear like complete hypocrites.
legalism - convince themselves if they keep the Law perfectly they'll earn salvation. That will either lead to self-righteousness and judgementalism towards other weaker christians (if they keep commandments like the Pharisees). Even the apostle Paul readily admitted that he still struggled with sin. Romans 7:14-20

Here is where the Good News comes in! God knew we would never be able to keep all the commandments and free from sin. Instead He sent His Son Jesus to earth for us who lived the sinless lie and died as a sacrifice for our sins. Romans 5:6-11 This means that whoever believes in Jesus is saved and seen as perfect in God's sight - like they have never sinned! Romans 6:1-14

But like you can see in that passage we are not to abuse that grace, faith in Jesus wll break that power of sin over our lives. The battle with your flesh will take time but this time you have a Helper - the Holy Spirit - who will give you the ability to stop sins you couldn't stop doing using your own will-power. Romans 8:12-17

So how do you know you are saved? Romans 10:9-11 There are no conditions, special clauses, small print or expiry dates. God promises that He will continue to forgive our sins no matter what. 1 John 1:9 See that? ALL unrighteousness!

It is gratitude and love for God for what He has done for us that will break the power of sin and make you able to keep the impossible law "do not commit adultery even in your own heart".

Now here is the Bible study book that helped me break free of self-accusation and legalism. :) Yes the Book of Romans. Amazon.com: How to be a Christian Without Being Religious: Discover the Joy of Being Free in Your Faith (9780830727896): Fritz Ridenour: Books
 
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If you think that by obeying Jesus' teachings you became a Pharisee, then you have a poor grasp of what either one of those entails, if not both.

Jesus taught integrity, including sexual integrity. He taught that bad attitudes in the heart are sin, and rightly so. That's where every journey to the most obvious, outward manifestations of these sins all start. People who abuse others began with the abuse in their hearts. Likewise, those who commit adultery began with taking their eyes off their spouses. He also taught against rash, hypocritical judgment of others. Hence, if you thought doing that was his will, you were not following his teaching.

You do not repent by killing yourself, or even maiming yourself. You simply keep trying to live better instead.
 
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I find this teaching particularly cruel, not only because it is impossible to obey (for most men), but because the consequences of disobedience are so explicitly highlighted.

Good, then you get it.

As you say, the Law is impossible for you to obey, but it doesn't just stop there. James tells us:
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
James 2:10-11
So even if you were able to always keep the lust in check, then you go out at tell what you might consider to be the smallest of lies, you violated the entire Law anyway. Guilty of the whole flippin thing, and accountable for it all as well!

Why? Because God demants sinless perfection out of you and doesn't grade on a curve.

Why have such a standard that's impossible to keep, you may ask. Paul tells us why God gave us His Law.
Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:19-20
The Law was not given to us so that we might struggle at keeping them and hope to win favor with God. Nope. We have it so that we may know what our sin looks like.

We can go down the list and think...
"Commandment one, guilty."
"Commandment two, guilty."
"Commandment three, guilty."
"Commandment four, guilty."
"Commandment five, guilty."
"... ummmm, oh crap! I'm in trouble!"

Then you might ask yourself, "I'm obviously guilty of violating God's Law, not just once, but many times over. How can I possibly please God?"

Good question. I'm glad you asked. Paul continues into the very next verse...
But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.
Romans 3:21-22
"So to be right with God comes through beleif in Jesus? How does that work?"
For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
Romans 3:22-24
"No kidding I'm a sinner, that's obvious to me, but I see now that what I can't do by keeping the Law is given to me as a gift? Again, how is that possible?"
whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3:25-26
"I see. Jesus was made as a sacrifice for me, which God accepted, punishing Him instead of me for my own sins, and with His justice fully satisfied, He then justifies all those who have faith in Jesus as the only sacrifice for my sins. If this is so, does that mean I no longer work at being good to try to make God happy, because I trust Jesus has already done this for me?"
Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Romans 3:27-28
Now, the deal is that you must put your trust into Jesus, who took your sin upon Himself, and who knew no sin but became sin for you (2 Cor 5:21), freely shed His own blood as a sacrifice to be your substitute, because without the shedding of blood, there is no forgivness of sins (Heb 9:22).
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
Romans 10:9-11
 
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The gist of Jesus' at times extreme extension of the commandments is to help communicate that the commandments aren't meant to be easy, but hard. It helps highlight the hypocrisy of the self-righteous who imagine they are pious, holy and upright even though they are "white washed tombs". It leads us toward repentance and it is the repentant and contrite heart that God desires most from us.

"I desire mercy not sacrifice."

Christ upholds the publican who beats his breast and cries simply, "Have mercy on me, a sinner" as an exemplar of a truly just person and the pharisee who says, "Thank you God that I am not like all those sinners" as an exemplar of an unjust person.

It is better to be a prostitute, a tax collector, or sinner who is truly contrite and truly seeking God than a self-righteous and self-pious pharisee, priest or "church person" who is incapable of seeing their need to pursue God.

Jesus' point isn't to condemn the faltering but seeking, but to demonstrate the faultiness of the self-righteous and indignant.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Mt. 5:27-30 is not referring to something that is pure in humans (the sex-drive) it is referring to something that is not an instinct...it referring to covetousness. The Koine Greek that the New Testament was written in, confirms this.


True, it is not possible for most people to resist the sex-drive until they marry. As was already posted, in Biblical times, young men and women were married before they were 18 years of age. Did divorced and widowed people give in to their sex-drives before they remarried? Of course. They were not penalized or called 'fornicators'.....unless they satisfied their sexual urges at the pagan temple with one of the temple cult prostitutes (harlot-pornia) in worship or tribute to the pagan goddess or god. And they were penalized if they seduced a married person into committing adultery against their spouse.
 
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The biggest problem I have encountered seeking after the Biblical God is the requirement he places upon men to be sexually pure creatures. I refer specifically to the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, where he likens the realm of a person's innermost thoughts and attitude to being equivalent to external behaviour.

Matthew 5:27-30 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

I find this teaching particularly cruel, not only because it is impossible to obey (for most men), but because the consequences of disobedience are so explicitly highlighted.

Whether one believes in evolution or not, it seems fairly obvious that men share with animals the same desire to find a mate and produce offspring. Whereas some mammals use their sense of smell as the prime way to determine the fitness and fertility of potential mates, it seems that humans partly use their sense of sight.

In response to this, it is likely no accident that females advertise their fitness and fertility through visual displays, like wide hips and abundant reserves of energy placed at key locations on their bodies. The fascination male humans have with female genitals could also be understood as a practical way of determining the presence of disease and sexual readiness.

With the human male's strong instinct to reproduce his genes, it is understandable he should assess potential mates at every opportunity. But this is the very thing that Jesus forbids as lustfully looking at women.
He doesn't forbid it. He says it is adultery. IOW, what he is doing is making this thought a sin, not simply the act of having sex with another man's wife. What this does is undercut the "righteousness" of those who promoted themselves as following the Law. In supposedly following the Law, the Pharisees and Sadducees were making themselves superior to everyone else spiritually. What Jesus is doing is cutting them off at the knees. It's not enough now to avoid having sex with another man's wife, even feeling desire for a woman not your wife is a sin. NO ONE can avoid that! So now the Pharisees and Sadducees are just as much sinners as everyone else. EVERYONE is a sinner. That's what Jesus is trying to get across. We ALL sin.

Although it is difficult, it is not impossible to consciously obey the teachings of Jesus in regard to this matter. There have been times during which I have faithfully practiced such teachings to the utmost of my ability. Even going to the extreme of forbidding myself from watching television or being exposed to any influence of fleshly delight.
That's not the point Jesus was trying to make. He knew when he said this that he was making it impossible for us males to avoid the sin of adultery.

So as a consolation, I would begin to approve of myself. To feel good about how righteous I was. How good I was for being good and having a clear conscience. Then I would take pleasue comparing myself to others who were less successful.
Oh! That is very bad. Again, the point of Jesus' doing that was so you could NOT make yourself feel superior to others.

So either I obey Jesus and become a Pharisee, or I resign myself to my animal nature and sin openly but can't have fellowship with God, or I play this impossible game where I pretend to be good and repent, knowing fully well I must return to sinning, but I cannot consciously acknowledge this or the game is over.
You have this backwards. You are NOT a Pharisee because you know you sin. Therefore you know you need to repent and seek forgiveness. Not just in your lust, but hopefully this will help you see other areas of your life where you are not in accord with God. The Pharisees did not realize this. They thought they were justified because they kept the Law and did not sin.

The "good news" that Jesus' preached is that God does not require us to be sinless. Instead, God loves us unconditionally, even when we sin. Not only that, but God will forgive, thus preserving our relationship with Him.

An alternative solution, the one I am now following, is to assume the Bible is not to be taken literally, and does not have the same authority as my own common sense. And that it is okay to rest my relationship with God at times when he seems distant and disinterested in my existence, and I'm not in any kind of emotional or material crisis.
God is never "disinterested" in your existence. You may not need God as much sometimes, but God is always interested.

In this case, I submit that you didn't look hard enough at the textual, social, and historical context in which Jesus was speaking. It's not about putting your "common sense" as the "same authority", but not getting what Jesus was trying to tell us. You got a message different from what Jesus intended you to hear.

Jesus is telling us that we cannot avoid sin. We are going to sin, so we cannot pretend to righeousness because we did not "do" something wrong. Instead, our thoughts betray us in that we want to do something wrong. Let's put this in another context. I don't tell Rush Limbaugh that I hate him for his comments about Sandra Fluke. But I do hate him in my mind. True, I am not seeking him out and bashing his face in. That would definitely be a sin, wouldn't it? But I am thinking it :). I am supposed to "love your enemies" and I am not loving Rush. So I am committing a sin in my mind, even if I don't do the act of showing my failure to love Rush by punching him in the gonads. So I am not "above" Rush, but need forgiveness from God for my sins just as much as Rush needs forgiveness for his failure to love his neighbor Sandra Fluke.
 
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