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Immaculate Conception?

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The Holy Spirit is spirit; hence, it has no physical elements as having "seed" would imply. It is philosophically impossible for an uncreated spiritual being to possess physical attributes with which it could contribute to the reproductive process. The physical laws must be considered because God created them and would never transgress His own laws. The Holy Spirit is the Eternal God's power emanated into the physical universe. God creates and influences physical realities by emanation. That's how God performs miracles in the world. He changes reality. Therefore, the "overshadowing of Mary by the Holy Spirit is an event that changed reality to one in which Mary was pregnant with a perfect, human male child, worthy of receiving the Eternally Begotten Son - the first born of creation - incarnated in time.
 
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Nice post, didn't realize this at all
 
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I am sorry

I can help you in your unbelief
 
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And who's spirit emanated/animated/manifested the fleshly vessel of CHRIST's body?
 
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Not really, its just that people keep making a web of bad excuses for bad theology to begin with.

Besides, the same scripture writers said God wasn't strong enough to fight off iron chariots.

"And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron."
-Judges 1:19
 
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If Mary was conceived without sin, then why couldn't everyone be?

Because EVERYONE did not give birth to Jesus. Only One was needed to give Birth who is Virgin Mary, who was Conceived without sin because She shares Her DNA with the Jesus to give Him His human flesh, without SPOT or BLEMISH.

If Virgin Mary's DNA is contaminated with sin like many believe then, Jesus Christ's human flesh is contaminated with sin, which will make Jesus Christ born in sin. God in His Unlimited Power can do all things, even though Virgin Mary's Parents who were born in sin. let me explain it with a clue below:


Here is a clue: The Tabernacle/Ark of the Old Testament which carried the WORD of God in it, even though the OT Tabernacle was fashioned by the hands of SINFUL MEN by the direction of God the Father, this Old Testament Tabernacle remained spotless uncontaminated of sin, which no man can touch, or he will die! (you know the story)

The New Testament Tabernacle/Ark the Womb of Virgin Mary who Carried the WORD of GOD now Made FLESH in Her, even though Mary the NT Tabernacle was fashioned by the womb of SINFUL PARENTS, by the GRACE of God the Father, this New Testament Tabernacle who is Virgin Mary, REMAINED SPOTLESS, UNCONTAMINATED Of Original Sin, nor any sin thereafter. (You know: "The Lord has done Mighty THINGS for Me"...)
 
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No, she met with the crafty beast on her own. Then she sinned. Eve wasn't perfect, neither was Adam because they sinned. Its not rocket science.

Cotler, Mary the New Eve, met with the Angel of God, on Her own. Who then by Her YES, Virgin Mary, undoes the sin of both Adam and Eve, because Virgin Mary, the New Eve, gives Birth to Jesus, the New Adam. Its not rocket science.
 
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Cotler, Mary the New Eve, met with the Angel of God, on Her own. Who then by Her YES, Virgin Mary, undoes the sin of both Adam and Eve, because Virgin Mary, the New Eve, gives Birth to Jesus, the New Adam. Its not rocket science.
That's speculation based on the erroneous concept of inherited original sin.
 
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No, she met with the crafty beast on her own. Then she sinned. Eve wasn't perfect, neither was Adam because they sinned. Its not rocket science.
It's not rocket science to understand that all children were born outside the original home

Both sinned and the effect of sin affected (and effected a change to) all

It's not rocket science to understand that GOD did not go back and recreate man

HE sent both from HIS PRESENCE because both had sinned
 
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Respectfully dear person, your question is similar to the old adage: "When did you stop beating your wife?"

In other words you began by saying that Jesus was "conceived". Further you have been taught (possibly by the RCC) that the conception was "immaculate". But this is dead wrong on both counts.

IE: There was NO conception; be it "immaculate" or not! Sadly, MOST Christians; including those that are not Roman Catholic; believe that Jesus was conceived in the womb of Mary. This is NOT true. Follow along:

What causes this false doctrine; is forgetting a MOST important fact in HOW Jesus got IN the womb of Mary. Especially, considering the fact that she WAS a "virgin". NO virgin can conceive period. The RCC tried to get around this impossibility, by adding the word "Immaculate". But it is foolish and still false doctrine. Plus, it is NOT substantiated anywhere on earth. The truth is:

The baby Jesus was created the SAME way Adam and Eve were created. Note: Neither of them were a result of conception. God simply spoke it and it happened. The SAME is true of God "manifest* in the flesh". Oh indeed yes. Think about it!

* 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was "manifest in the flesh", justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

In a word, Jesus was, is and shall forever be God Almighty; and He simply chose to manifest* Himself (while still remaining in heaven in a spiritual state called the "Father") IN the flesh on earth called "The Son".

So instantly; Jesus IN heaven caused a human fetus to just appear in the womb of a woman called Mary. Further; Jesus could have chosen any one of thousands of righteous women. But: She is NOT deified; she is NOT in heaven, nor can she hear a single prayer; she is in the grave as ALL dead people are except for Moses! Also: she WAS a sinner from birth to death. Oh yes she was. ALL will know this to be fact absolute one day. Mark me words.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

He made NO exceptions for ANY mortal being! Jesus was NOT mortal. Praise Jesus' Holy Name.

To continue and a very important thing; because she was a virgin, no DNA or sins entered the fetus of God manifest* in the flesh. This is very important. Because Jesus had established from the beginning that NO "atonement" for sin could be achieved with out the sacrificial "lamb" being UN blemished!

Thus: IF Mary had conceived; like every person, except for Adam and Eve; the baby fetus of Jesus WOULD have come out of Mary's womb blemished. This then means Jesus could NOT "atone" for our sins; for He would be blemished of the sins of Mary AND Joseph passed down**, from the 3rd and 4th generations. Thus she remained a virgin until AFTER Jesus was born. Then she could conceive all of her other children. And they, like her, would be blemished and they and all that have ever lived would be sinners.

** Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generations.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Again, He made NO exceptions!)

Thus, Jesus was NOT conceived in ANY way. He was simply God Almighty manifested IN the flesh. Because of this, the ONLY deified fleshly being could then be the final sacrificial "Lamb of God"; which would atone for ALL sins; past, present and future; except for one.

The UN-forgivable sin is "blaspheming against the Holy Spirit". Which means a person refuses to allow the Holy Spirit to enter into their heart, mind and soul. Thus, they have committed the most abominable sin; and they will receive the worst punishment; which is Hell. Oh indeed Yes. All sins shall be forgiven on Judgment Day, EXCEPT for that UN-pardonable sin.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, even blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

IN any case my dear person, may Jesus richly bless you and yours always.
 
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Cotler, Mary the New Eve, met with the Angel of God, on Her own. Who then by Her YES, Virgin Mary, undoes the sin of both Adam and Eve, because Virgin Mary, the New Eve, gives Birth to Jesus, the New Adam. Its not rocket science.
Virgin Mary absolves herself of Original Sin and/or absolves mankind of it?? Or reverses ("undoes") it. If "rocket science" is not the right term for that, we may be on the way to it with that convoluted speculation.

After all the theorizing has been heard, going by what the Bible says about this is no doubt the best approach.
 
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When you apply your understanding of proverbs to "the king of tyre" than maybe you'll understand
 
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That's speculation based on the erroneous concept of inherited original sin.
So, you'd agree--I am assuming, that Mary as "the Immaculate Conception" is true. It's just that all of us are immaculately conceived, so what's the point in making a big deal of it in Mary's case? Is that about right?
 
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Very nice post! Thanks for sharing this. Never thought of it this way
 
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More to the point why wouldn't God just cause Jesus to be conceived without sin? What would be the point in Mary being conceived without sin?

Here is the point, Hank, do you carry/share your moms DNA?

The Answer is YEAH! Of course you carry/share you Moms SINFUL contaminated through and through DNA every strand and fiber of our being. We all carry/share our Moms Sinful DNA which makes us who we are, Sinful.

Virgin Mary's DNA through the Grace of God CANNOT/SHALL NOT be Contaminated with Sin. IF people say Virgin Mary's DNA is like any other, with sin, then people who call themselves Christians, contradict themselves by say Jesus Christ was born with out sin. IT IS ALL IN THE PURE/IMMACULATE DNA!
 
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