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Hi guys

I was wanting to ask for some help really, as to how do I start to get my head round all this Eschatology stuff?

I'd love to know more about it, however, I often find that, when reading threads on here, its like theres a lot of stuff I should already know that I just don't, if that makes sense? And a lot of the videos on Youtube are frankly, a bit mental.

Is there anything I should read/watch/look at which is kind of like a "dummies guide to Eschatology"?
 

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Eschatology

The study of the teachings in the Bible concerning the end times, or of the period of time dealing with the return of Christ and the events that follow.

Eschatological subjects include the Resurrection, the Rapture, the Tribulation, the Millennium, the Binding of Satan, the Three witnesses, the Final Judgment, Armageddon, and The New Heavens and the New Earth.

In the New Testament, eschatological chapters include Matt. 24, Mark 13, Luke 17, and 2 Thess. 2.

In one form or another most of the books of the Bible deal with end-times subjects. But some that are more prominently eschatological are Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Joel, Zechariah, Matthew, Mark, Luke, 2 Thessalonians, and of course Revelation.


See Amillennialism and Premillennialism for more information on views on the millennium.

Hope this was helpful. God bless.
 
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A rough overview of some of the eschatological positions held by Christians today can be found here.

What I can also do is explain some of my eschatological views:

I'm a partial preterist. So, for example, when I read the book of Daniel, I read most of its content referring to the events of Daniel's time as well in its apocalyptic material reference to the time of the Maccabean revolt about 160 years before Christ. Daniel doesn't write to tell us about a future antichrist, but instead about the abominations of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, a ruler of the Seleucid Empire (after Alexander the Great died his empire was split among his generals, the Seleucids were one of those) who oppressed the Jews and desecrated the Temple in Jerusalem.

In Jesus' Olivet Discourse (e.g. Matthew 24) Jesus is predicting the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem that happened in the year 70 AD, furthermore when talking about the end and His return, the focus is not on a series of events that will happen, but rather encourages His disciples to not be given into speculation, hysteria and guesswork. Boiling down to the simple fact that nobody knows when He will return, and not to be deceived by those who say "Look, here He is!" or "Look, there He is!". When the Lord returns, every eye will see Him, it will be obvious to the whole world, it will be Jesus in all the glory of His Father and all the holy angels. He'll return when He returns, and it's not our business to try and figure out when that will happen or to give in to the temptation to speculate, try and interpret signs--the world will always have war and rumors of wars, there will always be nations rising up against nations, there will always be false prophets and false messiahs, there will always be famine, disease, plagues, earthquakes, natural disasters. As there have always been they will continue. Jesus does not want us to panic, to speculate, to freak out or obsess, Jesus wants us to be diligent and to be faithful to Him here and now. He could come back tomorrow, He could come back ten thousand years after tomorrow, that's not ours to know or figure out. Trust in Jesus, He is Lord, the Gospel needs preaching, the world is in God's hands.

When it comes to the Revelation of St. John, I believe the context is offered in the text itself: John says he was on Patmos, a Roman penal colony, during a time of persecution for the Christians in Asia Minor, and that the visions he receives were primarily concerning events during John's time and soon after. It's not a book predicting the end of the world, but a book talking about allegiance to Christ in the face of tribulation, God's victory over the sinful powers of this world (specifically Caesar and Rome) our victory in Christ and our call to endure to the end as faithful servants of Jesus. The "Beast" is Caesar, his "mark" is allegiance to him and his power, to worship his "image" was to bow down before the image of Caesar as part of the Roman imperial cult, the harlot of Babylon is Rome itself "drunk on the blood of the saints", the scarlet beast which she rides upon is Caesar and the imperial power he wields. Christ is already victorious over this, but He will come again to put an end to all the kingdoms of this world, "the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ", God will make all things new, restoring creation and beatifying it "a new heavens and a new earth" "behold I make all things new!", in the end the people of God are presented as the "Bride of the Lamb" a new and holy and heavenly Jerusalem, a new Zion as heaven and earth meet together with and in God forever and ever.

The millennium is not a temporal, earthly period of time, but is Christ's reign from the right hand of the Father, Christ is King now, Jesus is Lord now, and He is Lord and King for these last two thousand years. There will come a time when, at His return the fullness of the kingdom will be brought about, the consummation of all things when the dead are raised, and God will judge all people--you, me, everybody--and then eternal life in the Age to Come, world without end.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Hi guys

I was wanting to ask for some help really, as to how do I start to get my head round all this Eschatology stuff?



My personal recommendation ... pick up the Bible ... seriously .. it's readable ... and understandable. Lots of fun stuff in there ... go with what you find interesting ... that's what will help you.


It's really that simple.


If ya really want to start with Revelation, then go for it. People here can help you refine your understanding, but it's really between you and God.


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Most discussions here at this sub-forum, revolve around the timing of the rapture/gathering to Christ.

Is the church here on earth for the end time events (I say of course we are),
or are they removed from the earth, and in heaven for the end time events.
 
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Prayer and personal study.. with the Lord as your teacher... Ask Him to come and be your private tutor..

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

IN fact, take Him up on His offer..

Revelation 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

He will.. and then you will be taught at His feet.. and all the things of earth and what religious teachers say will not be confusing .. because you already know..
 
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Since CryptoLutheran has given you his view of the end times, which I virtually thoroughly disagree with, I will tell you the end times as I see it.

The book of Daniel is a book describing both the persecutions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, a Seleucid king, and the antichrist. Both are described as "little horns" in Daniel. In Daniel 7, the little horn is the antichrist, while in Daniel 8, the little horn is Antiochus IV. The reason for this becomes obvious in Daniel 11 - Antiochus IV is a type of antichrist.

You may remember the phrase in the book of Revelation - the beast "once was, now is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit." I take this to be a reference to Antiochus IV. In addition, through symbolism in the book of Revelation, it is plain that the antichrist is one of the past 7 heads come back again. I simply take this things to mean that a ruler like Antiochus IV will come and rule over the entire world. He will do much the same things as Antiochus IV did.

To strengthen my point in Daniel that the two little horns are different, consider the fact that Daniel 2-7 is written in Aramaic, while Daniel 1, 8-12 is written in Hebrew. The reason for this choice is obvious. Clearly the events in Daniel 2-7 will affect a broader range of Gentile nations, and thus they are put into a language which all can understand. However, the events in Daniel 1, and 8-12 affect specifically the Hebrew people, and thus are put into a medium that only the Hebrews can understand.

The little horn of Daniel 7 comes out of the fourth kingdom, a worldwide kingdom, while the little horn of Daniel 8 specifically comes from Greece. However, the little horn of Daniel 7 does not come from Greece (the third beast). Thus the two little horns are different.

The book of Revelation is a book concerning future events which did not occur anywhere near John's day. In addition, we can tell that many of the plagues in the book of Revelation are not symbolic by Christ's discourse discussing the tribulation and distress of the nations in Mt. 24, Mk. 13, and Lu. 21. The miracles that the false prophet does in Revelation are advanced technology, as are the miracles Christ references in Mt. 24:24.

Mt. 24:29-31 in fact involves a one thousand year gap, because Christ's coming where "every eye shall see him, they also which pierced him" is his final coming to judge the world in Rev. 20:11-15.

The two witnesses of Rev. 11 are most likely two individuals, not pastors/theologians, and the "fire" that "pours" from their mouths is nothing other than the words of God (Jer. 5:14, Jer. 23:29, etc.). Revelation 11 includes a prophecy of instant communication, written thousands of years ago, where the entire world watches as the two witnesses' dead bodies lie in the street of Jerusalem, and the entire world refuses them burial.

The judgments in the book of Revelation are out of chronological order, which is why the sixth seal in the book of Revelation perfectly corresponds to the seventh trumpet and the seventh vial.

The book of Revelation describes an asteroid hitting the earth's ocean (the Pacific, in my opinion). It also describes the United States of America as "Babylon the Great" - a reference to an ancient prophecy in Jer. 50, 51, Isa. 13, 14, 21, and 47. All of these chapters involve more information about the end times Babylon the Great. New York City is the "seat of the beast" because the United Nations is in downtown NYC, and that is where the beast will reign from.

In addition, the book of Revelation describes a one world government being ruled over by the antichrist who is given his power by 10 kings (leaders/nations) who are evidently leaders in this world government. Crazy things affect the weather (the precursors of which I believe we are already seeing), and many of the plagues in Revelation can be related to that.

In short, I believe that the book of Revelation will be fulfilled a few decades from now.
 
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This is about the last place to come if you are confused.

There are all kinds of views advanced and debated here, and everyone is absolutely persuaded he or she is right.

But for a starter, do not attempt to put together a basic understanding from the book of Revelation. That book is largely written in symbolic language, and you need a wider understanding of scripture to even begin to understand it.

The Old Testament contains a great many explicitly stated prophecies about what is coming. Until you have a basic understanding of these explicitly stated prophecies, you are not ready to even begin to try to understand the symbolic parts of the subject.

I have summarized the most important parts of these explicitly stated Old Testament (and some New Testament) prophecies in the following thread. As usual, some in this forum think this is all wrong, but look at the scriptures I have quoted and decide for yourself. You can find the summary at:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7548942-6/
 
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This is about the last place to come if you are confused.

There are all kinds of views advanced and debated here, and everyone is absolutely persuaded he or she is right.

But for a starter, do not attempt to put together a basic understanding from the book of Revelation. That book is largely written in symbolic language, and you need a wider understanding of scripture to even begin to understand it.

The Old Testament contains a great many explicitly stated prophecies about what is coming. Until you have a basic understanding of these explicitly stated prophecies, you are not ready to even begin to try to understand the symbolic parts of the subject.

I have summarized the most important parts of these explicitly stated Old Testament (and some New Testament) prophecies in the following thread. As usual, some in this forum think this is all wrong, but look at the scriptures I have quoted and decide for yourself. You can find the summary at:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7548942-6/

LOL

... and for a contrary opinion ... Revelation is the first book you'll want to read.

It provides an encapsulated summary of all Christianity ... It starts with Jesus Christ and ends with Jesus Christ.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
...
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely
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... and for a contrary opinion ... Revelation is the first book you'll want to read.

It provides an encapsulated summary of all Christianity ... It starts with Jesus Christ and ends with Jesus Christ.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
...
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely
.


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The problem with this is that you have no way of knowing if you have correctly interpreted the significance of all the symbolic language. And without a previous knowledge of the rest of the prophetic scriptures, you do not even have a firm foundation upon which to build your interpretations.
 
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The problem with this is that you have no way of knowing if you have correctly interpreted the significance of all the symbolic language. And without a previous knowledge of the rest of the prophetic scriptures, you do not even have a firm foundation upon which to build your interpretations.
Or, sadly enough, even knowing the difference between the symbolic and the literal. Much of Biblical debate involves which is which.

If God had wanted us to know with absolute certainty, he would have cast his words into stone ... oh wait ... he did ... the commandments. Perhaps those are the words of most importance.

I know with certainty that I get it wrong sometimes ... possibly even most times. Also, pretty sure I get it right sometimes.


Still, I try ... and I recommend it highly ... I learned years ago that miracles sometimes happen when one opens the Bible and takes the words one reads to heart.


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Or, sadly enough, even knowing the difference between the symbolic and the literal. Much of Biblical debate involves which is which.

If God had wanted us to know with absolute certainty, he would have cast his words into stone ... oh wait ... he did ... the commandments. Perhaps those are the words of most importance.

I know with certainty that I get it wrong sometimes ... possibly even most times. Also, pretty sure I get it right sometimes.


Still, I try ... and I recommend it highly ... I learned years ago that miracles sometimes happen when one opens the Bible and takes the words one reads to heart.


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Amen
 
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Hi guys

I was wanting to ask for some help really, as to how do I start to get my head round all this Eschatology stuff?

I'd love to know more about it, however, I often find that, when reading threads on here, its like theres a lot of stuff I should already know that I just don't, if that makes sense? And a lot of the videos on Youtube are frankly, a bit mental.

Is there anything I should read/watch/look at which is kind of like a "dummies guide to Eschatology"?
Anthony Hoekema's "The Bible and the Future" is a pretty good description.
 
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Hi guys

I was wanting to ask for some help really, as to how do I start to get my head round all this Eschatology stuff?

I'd love to know more about it, however, I often find that, when reading threads on here, its like theres a lot of stuff I should already know that I just don't, if that makes sense? And a lot of the videos on Youtube are frankly, a bit mental.

Is there anything I should read/watch/look at which is kind of like a "dummies guide to Eschatology"?

i will tell you what helped me.

i was nineteen at the time, and a sophomore in college. i went to church, which was a regular event in my family, and listened to the preacher intently one sermon and realized i had no idea what he was talking about.

true, it mostly was his sermon, but that got me to thinking about what i really knew about the bible. i had to admit that i knew basically nothing.

if you would have mentioned eschatology to me back then, i would have probably thought you were talking about a disease!

i really had no idea who the jews were, and being brought up baptist, i couldn't began to understand the trinity or expound on the subject. i realized that i couldn't really expound on anything. it was very disconcerting to say the least.

now, i could go to college and understand what my professors said, but i could not understand what the preacher said. it bothered me to no end.

so, i prayed to God. this is what i prayed:

:prayer:"Lord, i know there is something that you want us to know through Your word, but i feel like i don't know it. if You will, please show me so that i can understand what it is You want us to know.":prayer:

and about three months later, i started to understand. in fact, i know so much about the bible now, until it scares me!

there are a lot of people here that don't agree with what i post, and i understand that. nevertheless, here's a verse for you:


James 1:5-6 ( NKJV ) 5If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind.

i didn't realize it then, but i do now, that i really did ask in faith!

and at the time i prayed for understanding, i didn't even know about the verse i have quoted above.

we do have a very benevolent God, praise His Name! :bow:
 
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Hi guys

Thank you all so much for your advice. I've read Rev front to back and a lot of the ideas and the thoughts you've been kind enough to post will be a real benefit to me in getting to grips with the book.

Thank you!!!
Try this also ... YouTube - The Book of Revelation Is Happening NOW! You Must See This! The 7 Trumpets Are Blowing!

... and from this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=55172786

What's in a name?. Happy names like rose and daisy can be found in streets, towns and cities everywhere – regardless of language. Even non-flowering plant names like fern, oak and cat-tails are common. Unpleasant names like mugwort and wormwood are much less common. Such names are rarely used except when negative connotations are deliberate, such as Wormwood Scrubs prison in England.

"Chernobyl Fallout: Apocalyptic Tale" was published by the New York Times on July 25, 1986. Claiming Chernobyl translated to Wormwood, potentially making it the third trumpet prophecy of Revelation, Serge Schermann failed to substantiate his sources and his story was largely discredited.

Armed with a couple of years of prior Russian language study, I decided to pursue original sources and dig deeper into the matter recently. Here are the verifiable facts:

1) Chernobyl and chornobyl are Russian and Ukranian words meaning literally "black stalks", referring to artemisia vulgaris – four-foot high grassy plants known in English as mugwort or "common wormwood".
2) Chornobyl (Чорнобиль) was the Ukranian city lending its name to the reactor.
3) Wormwood, according to my 1984 (note this pre-dates the meltdown) Merriam-Webster Dictionary is Artemisia, esp. Artemisia absinthium. The definition explicitly encompasses all varieties of Artemisia.
4) Mugwort (artemisia vulgaris) is closely related to artemisia absinthium, both genetically and in physical appearance.
5) Curiously, mugwort was not listed in my Merriam-Webster dictionary of nearly 160,000 words, underscoring the fact that it is best known as "common wormwood".
6) Prior to 1986 both Russian and Ukranian dictionaries included wormwood as a secondary definition for chernobyl/chornobyl and many internet translators still translate chernobyl into wormwood.
7) Wormwood acquired its name because of its ability to act as a "de-wormer" (i.e., expelling intestinal worm infestations). The de-worming ability extends throughout various artemisia species.
8) Polyn' ("полин" in Ukrainian or "полын" in Russian) is the primary term in Russian for artemisia absinthium or wormwood.
9) Pelyněk černobýl is the Czech name for artemisia vulgaris (i.e., mugwort) and translates literally as wormwood vulgaris, thus helping to explain the relationship between and origins of both polyn' and chernobyl.
10) Perhaps the most observable difference between mugwort and wormwood is whether the stalks are green or whether the stalks are dark green.
11) Apsinthos (Aψινθος), the Greek word found in the earliest surviving Revelation manuscripts, means "bitter like wormwood". Although often used to describe artemisia absinthia, "wormwood" is not an exact literal translation.
12) Historical translations include "Bitter" from the 1969 Worldwide English New Testament and "Wormwood (footnote - that is, Bitter)" from the 1973, 1984 New International Version of the Bible. Both of these predate the Chernobyl meltdown.
13) The world's oldest surviving Bible, the Codex Sinaiticus (available online) uses the Greek name Apsinthion (Aψίνθιον), a broadly encompassing term meaning "of the nature of absinthia. (Note: Some claim there is evidence of this word having been changed from Apsinthos.)
14) Only one of the many apocalyptic events described in Revelation was assigned a proper noun as a name (an obscure name at that).

The facts indicate that Chernobyl is an accurate translation for the term Wormwood, as used in the third trumpet prophecy of Revelation, regardless of whether one translates from original manuscripts or English language texts. Counter-arguments claiming Chernobyl isn't a good translation fail when subjected to scrutiny.

One question needing to be answered though is: What are the odds that an obscure name used in the Bible just happens to match the name of the city where one of the worst man-made disasters in history occurred? The odds of a mere coincidence would seem to be, mathematically speaking, extremely remote.

A more substantive counter-argument is that the Chernobyl disaster doesn't fit the description given of the third trumpet prophecy. That argument loses merit though when one examines the passage critically. Although often interpreted as a literal star, asteroid or comet falling to earth, it's worth considering that the later fifth trumpet "star" is an obvious figurative star, thereby lending further credence to Chernobyl as the third trumpet prophecy.

15) As with English, both the Greek and Aramaic words for star have multiple meanings.
16) The Greek word ἀστήρ means not only star and famous, but also strewn over the sky - fitting terminology for the Chernobyl explosion and radioactive fallout which heavily contaminated thousands of square miles of land in the Ukraine, Belarus and Russia, much of which will be uninhabitable for thousands of years.
17) An ever-increasing body of evidence suggests that the New Testament may have been originally written in Aramaic (i.e., the language Mel Gibson used in "Passion of the Christ") rather than Greek. The Aramaic word for star, kwkb, can be both noun and verb - for example, to be made a star, an interesting association since that definition applies literally to what happened at Chernobyl.

Wormwood is one of the important clues in Revelation. It stands uniquely alone among the events of Revelation in that it was given a name. Though perhaps not a unique name, the unarguable fact is that the name Wormwood is one which is rarely used. Adding further unique identification is the fact that it is a proper noun rather than a common noun.

Ultimately, one needs to form one's own conclusion as to whether Chernobyl fits the prophecy of Revelation. For me, the book of Revelation took on new meaning when viewed from a 20th/21st century perspective.
 
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Hi guys

I was wanting to ask for some help really, as to how do I start to get my head round all this Eschatology stuff?

I'd love to know more about it, however, I often find that, when reading threads on here, its like theres a lot of stuff I should already know that I just don't, if that makes sense? And a lot of the videos on Youtube are frankly, a bit mental.

Is there anything I should read/watch/look at which is kind of like a "dummies guide to Eschatology"?
stick with the bible, most teachers are in error and simply bend scripture to meet the changing time and landscapes of history. Many of these bible scholars will tell you all kinds of strange things, and some entertwine false doctrines into their teachings, even though they are very sincere and seem like Gods messengers they are deceptive wolves, especially watch out for those who sell their teachings for a handsome price, the higher the price the more likey their not from God.
 
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I suggest you read the following things along with Revelation:

Daniel
2 Th. 2
Mt. 24
Mk. 13
Lu. 21
Isa. 13
Isa. 47
Jer. 50
Jer. 51
Eze. 38/39
Habakkuk
Joel
Zephaniah
Isa. 2
Isa. 24
Zech. 14

I think that if you read and study these things you will have a much better grasp on the book of Revelation. Biblewriter is correct when he implies that the book of Revelation is based off of the OT - it is, and there must be a firm grasp of the prophecies in the OT in order for you to begin to understand the book of Revelation.

However, Biblewriter and I disagree when he states that the book of Revelation is largely symbolic (I believe he's talking about the plagues here). I will actually tell you, and I can prove conclusively, that the plagues in the book of Revelation are literal, not symbolic.

How do I know they are literal? Because of Christ's discourse in Mt. 24, Mk. 13, and Lu. 21 (in particular, Lu. 21).

This does not necessarily mean that there aren't symbolic elements to the plagues, but they are mostly literal.

Biblewriter gave you one of his threads to read, which would probably be helpful. I will also give you one of my threads on the topic of the sixth seal in the book of Revelation. If you like, read it and see what you think:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7463454/

Enjoy.
 
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Start with a revelation of Jesus Christ =which is being born again.
Then read the Bible for daily instruction.
When you want to know something, ask the LORD to show you by His Spirit, and expect no fast foot service in the Word, but study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed.

If you take heed to Jesus words to "Watch and pray that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things [coming on all the inhabitants of the world] and to stand before the Son of Man [as a priest, an adopted son of the Firstborn, in His holy temple in heaven]", then you will be always living ready to depart and be with Him. Whether by death of the flesh or by the change at the escape Jesus promised, then you will have no worry about your relationship with the LORD and ability to stand before Him, the Son of Man in heaven, as an adopted son, perfected in spirit [the adoption Spirit], cleansed in soul [by the Atonement], and perfected in body [the adoption body].

And when you come up against eschatology, take up the first book of eschatology, which is the writings of the prophet Enoch, the seventh from Adam, who wrote the revelations of the Son of Man in heaven, hidden, which John wrote the revelation of the Son of Man in heaven, revealed, patterned after, and completing. -http://www.summascriptura.com/html/Enoch_1_RHC.htm
 
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