I'm merely curious, looking for an open minded and mature discussion.

[Pallas]

It may seem odd at first to put this on a Christian forum, but I do need outside opinions on this subject.

As a Satanist, I receive a lot of hate (as one would imagine). So, why be a Satanist? Because I actually did a bit of studying on it. My conclusion was that Satanism was indeed a religion completely seen in the wrong light with the help of media and lies. There's no goat/baby sacrificing, Satan isn't a red skinned horned satyr, none of that. It's mostly a philosophy of do no harm unless harmed, indulge, and reach your full potential. Now, keep in mind that I'm not promoting Satanism at all. I am not attempting to convert anyone or skew their faith.

So, my question is, why do people blindly hate Satanism when they don't know what it's about?

 

[Gracelands]

were putting a railroad through pergemum man sorry dems the breaks heap big horned one.

of course you do know it is a heinous sin in the true bowels of hell to argue with sid dont you? ( when i say henious wThey take all the horns)

next

 

[Girder of Loins]

It may seem odd at first to put this on a Christian forum, but I do need outside opinions on this subject.

As a Satanist, I receive a lot of hate (as one would imagine). So, why be a Satanist? Because I actually did a bit of studying on it. My conclusion was that Satanism was indeed a religion completely seen in the wrong light with the help of media and lies. There's no goat/baby sacrificing, Satan isn't a red skinned horned state, none of that. It's mostly a philosophy of do no harm unless harmed, indulge, and reach your full potential. Now, keep in mind that I'm not promoting Satanism at all. I am not attempting to convert anyone or skew their faith.

So, my question is, why do people blindly hate Satanism when they don't know what it's about?

We see "Satanism" and attach our definition of "Satan" onto it. I know I falsely believed that Satanism was the worship of the "Satan" of the Bible. Now I see it as a worship of self. You are your own god, and no one else can be. So I see why Christians hate on Satanism, but it is definitely unfounded.

 

[Gracelands]

the blue head with the arrow through has no questions your honour i motion for a case dismissed.

 

[Pallas]

the blue head with the arrow through has no questions your honour i motion for a case dismissed.

I was looking for a mature discussion. It's apparent I won't get one.

 

[Pallas]

were putting a railroad through pergemum man sorry dems the breaks heap big horned one.

of course you do know it is a heinous sin in the true bowels of hell to argue with sid dont you? ( when i say henious wThey take all the horns)

next

And ah... What does this even say?

 

[Pallas]

We see "Satanism" and attach our definition of "Satan" onto it. I know I falsely believed that Satanism was the worship of the "Satan" of the Bible. Now I see it as a worship of self. You are your own god, and no one else can be. So I see why Christians hate on Satanism, but it is definitely unfounded.

That is mostly for atheistic Satanists (LaVeyan Satanists), who see Satan are a symbol for human nature.
Theistic Satanists (of which I am) see Satan as a real being, but almost in the same way as LaVeyan Satanists, the only difference being the belief in magick (but I do think LaVeyan Satanists believe in magick to a certain degree) and the fact that Satan is real.

 

[Gracelands]

upside down human nature. Ive been down under. Its hot... too hot. Get out before its too late. You'll get eaten ! Bar b qued!

That mature enuff?

 

[Girder of Loins]

That is mostly for atheistic Satanists (LaVeyan Satanists), who see Satan are a symbol for human nature.
Theistic Satanists (of which I am) see Satan as a real being, but almost in the same way as LaVeyan Satanists, the only difference being the belief in magick (but I do think LaVeyan Satanists believe in magick to a certain degree) and the fact that Satan is real.

Well, considering we see Lucifer as the evilest of guys, we attribute the evilest of things to him. So child sacrifice seems right up his alley. Of course, this is an unfounded presupposition. I don't know the exact theology behind Theistic Satanism, however. Do you have a holy book? And Theistic Satanists believe the Christian Bible is propaganda from the "other side", right? Or am I thinking of something else?

 

[Gracelands]

weve got an esther Mcvey in politics atm in Uk. V susoect.

Right wing ( rolls eyes)

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=esther+mcvey+uk&qpvt=esther+mcvey+uk&FORM=IGRE

her in the likes of david cameron and nickclegg. Futures wobbly.

 

[Pallas]

upside down human nature. Ive been down under. Its hot... too hot. Get out before its too late. You'll get eaten ! Bar b qued!

That mature enuff?

No, not really. The depiction of Hell most people accept comes from Dante's Inferno, which I find to be completely false as it's a comedic satirical work that also denounces Satan as any Renaissance person would. Merely propaganda, much like the depiction of Satan as a satyr with red skin and horns. Nowhere in the Bible does it say the fallen angel has changed appearance.

 

[Pallas]

Well, considering we see Lucifer as the evilest of guys, we attribute the evilest of things to him. So child sacrifice seems right up his alley. Of course, this is an unfounded presupposition. I don't know the exact theology behind Theistic Satanism, however. Do you have a holy book? And Theistic Satanists believe the Christian Bible is propaganda from the "other side", right? Or am I thinking of something else?

There is the Satanic Bible written by LaVey and that's mostly a life philosophy. And Christianity is seen as sort of self deceit, which is one of the worst Satanic sins.

 

[Pallas]

weve got an esther Mcvey in politics atm in Uk. V susoect.

Right wing ( rolls eyes)

esther mcvey uk - Bing Images

her in the likes of david cameron and nickclegg. Futures wobbly.

I'm pretty sure that speaking English is a rule here.
So please, type coherently and stop making the opposition look bad.

 

[Strachan]

Pallas, we also believe in the literal Satan, and everything else scripture tells us about him. There is nothing good about him, and nothing he promotes is good - so why follow him? We also believe in the reality of hell, so why choose this option?

As for some of the other things you have mentioned such as baby as sacrifice, you do know it happens, and all for Satan, and it is done for him. I am no expert on your religion, but those are some of the basic facts.

 

[vespasia]

Pallas,

If you can cope with the likes of Dante and Milton see if you can either borrow or buy a copy of Sydney Page's 'Powers of Evil'. It is worth reading. Its writers approach is systematic as he examines what the Hebrew bible [OT] and the NT actually say about evil. He also compares and contrasts a range of theologians discussing the same sections and leaves the reader to consider the arguments put before them.

Walter Winks 'The powers' trilogy is also worth a read. It is a refreshing piece of good academic theology rather than the trite populist novel its title infers.

Ideology has far more to do with satanic philosophy than theology, Lavey whilst an excellent self publicist and sound-bite courtesan of the press was not noted for original thinking. The man was a plagerist.

 

[Pallas]

Pallas, we also believe in the literal Satan, and everything else scripture tells us about him. There is nothing good about him, and nothing he promotes is good - so why follow him? We also believe in the reality of hell, so why choose this option?

As for some of the other things you have mentioned such as baby as sacrifice, you do know it happens, and all for Satan, and it is done for him. I am no expert on your religion, but those are some of the basic facts.

"I know nothing of your religion, but this happens in it and I will cite no sources."
Honestly, are you that deluded?

 

[Girder of Loins]

There is the Satanic Bible written by LaVey and that's mostly a life philosophy. And Christianity is seen as sort of self deceit, which is one of the worst Satanic sins.

Hmmmm... So what does "theistic" have to do with Satanism? As I understand it, a Satanist wouldn't follow any religious codes unless it helps them. So does "theistic" mean you(personally) believe in a "god", but don't necessarily see them as more than the "god" within yourself? I'm a little confuzzled...

 

[FutureLife]

The only thing satan will get anyone is In the wrong place. When he thought he could overpower GOD, he was sent to hell, It was now his filth, If you get involved with satan's filth, its where you will live in

 

[vespasia]

Girder- I too was theistic in my understanding as I had a concept of entities external to myself but I did not have a popular Christian understanding of satan as the polar opposite of God either. This is but one understanding.

Given my interest in the whole problem of theodicy and that my pov of God at the time had been coloured by poor interactions with Christians who simply presumed and could not cope with my interests.

The forum rules are fairly specific on the subject of Satanism, and whilst that may make it a tad awkward for an honest answer to be given without some thought, it would be helpful to have some insight into your thoughts Pallas. I assure you I will be able to follow your thinking if it has any depth.

 

[Kurama]

Without blaspheming our Lord's name, I must admit that Satanism is quite an interesting faith/philosophy (depending on how you look at it). Basically adherants of Satanism have sympathy towards Lucifer (also known as Satan or the Devil) for having been cast into hell after trying to usurp God's throne.

Satanists generally resent God's position, they see Him as an autocrat and megalomaniac. This is why Satanism may be interpreted as a form of libertarianism in which no individual (God in this case) can impose their will on you...that in reality you are your own master. They sympathise with Satan for having tried to change the status quo, and see Christians as blind followers. This was shown in the book ''Paradise Lost.''

Of course I completely and utterly resent this view but I understand what you're envisioning. Still...I would advise you against using using the term Satanism. Had he been a libertarian, there would be no sin in the world and everything would be fine. The fact of the matter is that Satan is the epitome of evil, he is the n.1 aggressor. He caused sin in the first place by tempting Adam and Eve.

However indeed, as a Satanist, you would regard some parts of the Bible as propaganda made by God. Thus, like I do with any other world religion, let's agree to disagree. You believe in a different god and devil from me, you are part of your own religion and it would be in our best interests to have mutual respect at this point