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gratefulgrace · Aug 4, 2009

You don't have to believe it helps for it to actually have some effect but it would help. Hang in there Caty gg

gratefulgrace · Aug 4, 2009

Maybe folks are focused on trying to 'fix' you rather than just showing concern and friendship and the love the Jesus. God isn't tapping his foot in impatience over you i don't believe. I'm not anyway. gg

Caty · Aug 4, 2009

But I don't know about God. I dont want to give up, but I'm so tired of this. I've really had it tonight. I'm tired of crying & stuff & worries.

JohnnieGuy · Aug 4, 2009

Caty Caty Caty. Quit trusting your feelings. Does the Bible say that salvation comes from how we feel? No. It says that it comes because the Lord gave His Son so that if we believe upon Him and what He did on the cross for our sins, then we will be saved. So quit looking to your feelings and your sins and your own wretched sinners heart. You were saved 2000 years ago when Christ died on the cross for you and rose from the dead. Trust in God, and in His promise, ok? The assurance will come, but not if you keep looking for it in how you feel.

Caty · Aug 4, 2009

So, if I let all my worries go (of thigns I ahve or have feared I ve done) tonight, I will not be haveing blind faith? Im afradi Ill get really close to Him & in the end He'll turn me away or Im afraid that He push me farther away if I try to get any closer.

JohnnieGuy · Aug 4, 2009

Caty said:
So, if I let all my worries go (of thigns I ahve or have feared I ve done) tonight, I will not be haveing blind faith? Im afradi Ill get really close to Him & in the end He'll turn me away or Im afraid that He push me farther away if I try to get any closer.

Faith is trust. And what could be more certain than trusting God?

Caty · Aug 5, 2009

thats not what I asked, how do i know its not me "believeing" im saved, but Im really not.

gratefulgrace · Aug 5, 2009

It is important the you believe you are saved that is your part in the New covenant. Jesus paid the price and you believe that he did it. So you are on the right path.

Rom 10:8But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," [fn] that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:

Rom 10:9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

Rom 10:11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." [fn]

127.0.0.1 · Aug 5, 2009

Caty said:
Not many people come here to try & help me anymore. ...

I posted a thread where I referenced a free anonymous Christian counseling service. I'll post it again.

jn1034@syntheosis.org

Whether your willing to reach out and share your cares and fears with them, is your choice. Do you want help from actual Christian counselors who are also theologians? Yes, or no?

They helped me tremendously. I'm no longer afraid of God. I'm no longer afraid, because I know know that St. Paul said, "Work out your own salvation with awe and trembling" not fear. They're also the one's who told me that in the original Greek the Divine Liturgy says as the call to Communion, "With the awe of God and with faith and love draw near." Instead of fear.

So now, I know that what had me in such a fit, was really just in inaccurate translation from the Greek. Which is consistent since the Bible also tells us that perfect love casts out fear. Thus, we're called to love God not be afraid of Him.

My point is that I had some big problems that were pulling me down and these people help a lot. Whether or not you're willing to take a chance and just ask them, and test their knowledge, is your choice. Again, do you want help from actual Christian counselors who are also theologians? Yes, or no?

gratefulgrace · Aug 15, 2009

Hi Caty i have been on holiday and away from my computer. I do hopeyou are doing ok. gg

Caty · Aug 15, 2009

eh, kinda. better I guess. the thoughts are worse, but Im doing some better, Ive bee having the ,'maybe God really does love me and wants to forgive me moments.' more often. so, well see. i guess....

JohnnieGuy · Aug 15, 2009

I think you are mistaken about what salvation really is Caty. Please go to knowimsaved.com and if you'd like email Richard about it.

J

Caty · Aug 15, 2009

I went on that site, and listened to that sermon on the uf-sin, it did help. but im pretty tired so I might go on more tomorrow. thanks.

gratefulgrace · Aug 16, 2009

Caty said:
eh, kinda. better I guess. the thoughts are worse, but Im doing some better, Ive bee having the ,'maybe God really does love me and wants to forgive me moments.' more often. so, well see. i guess....

That is great Caty and YES He does love you and He died to forgive you so I am pretty sure He wants to if He hasn't done already. GG

Caty · Aug 16, 2009

well, today isn't. I was i was 'pretty sure' He wanted to forgive me
because isnt that what it all comes down too? because He could (He can do anything), but its just if He wants to, right?

JohnnieGuy · Aug 16, 2009

Caty said:
well, today isn't. I was i was 'pretty sure' He wanted to forgive me
because isnt that what it all comes down too? because He could (He can do anything), but its just if He wants to, right?

Why aren't you believing God?

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

J

Caty · Aug 16, 2009

I want to but, I read things and they stick in my head. Once, I read that NO verse in John can account for the uf-sin (meaning, even if you did confess,repent, you still couldn't be forgiven) That's why it worries me.

gratefulgrace · Aug 16, 2009

God knows of our tendancy to "miss the mark of righteousness" In other words SIN but even so John who wrote the gospel of John writes in his first letter to the Church that:

1Jo 1:8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jo 1:9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Jo 1:10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Sooo....knowing that you sin does not mean you can't be saved or have committed an unforgivable sin as that UC is unbelief in God or the need to repent and be saved basically rejecting the whole gift of salvation that Jesus has offered. So like I said before if we are willing He is more than willing to save us. It would be helpful if you could memorize the many scriptures that support your salvation and try to forget the only one that makes you worried.gg

JohnnieGuy · Aug 16, 2009

Caty said:
I want to but, I read things and they stick in my head. Once, I read that NO verse in John can account for the uf-sin (meaning, even if you did confess,repent, you still couldn't be forgiven) That's why it worries me.

Listen, if you have repentance (agreement and desire to do God's will/not sin) then it is God given.

No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him John 6:44

If you committed the unpardonable sin, you would be beyond repentance, because you wouldn't even know what sin is! It's only impossible to repent (turn from our sins) if we don't know what sin is, right? So praise God for giving it to you! Do you understand?

annrobert · Aug 16, 2009

caty,
Jessu said he that believeth in Me has everlasting life
and Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out,not for any reason.
Jesus will never leave you or forsake you.
Jesus says come to Me ALL ye that labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.
Jesus loves you and has forgiven you since you believe in Him.
You are safe and protected by Jesus and you will never perish since Jesus is holding you in the palm of His hand and nothing shall snatch you out.
Nothing shall separate you from the love of Jesus.
I really hope you get better soon caty,as I know what it feels like to suffer like this.
annrobert

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