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<blockquote data-quote="Lotuspetal_uk" data-source="post: 65841932" data-attributes="member: 6642"><p>Got you, I think. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> (still battling some kind of cold)</p><p></p><p>So instead of a thing which is done away with are you thinking now that it's like a work in progress? I can see how you would see that.</p><p></p><p>The other thing I was wondering is your understanding of "the things" used in the verse together with the phrase "new creature". Do you consider them as being the same or two different things?</p><p></p><p>Sorry for so many questions - I don't like to assume and with my foggy head I don't want to misunderstand you.</p><p></p><p>I cross referenced 2 Cor 5:17 with a few other Bible translations below:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>There are some footnotes from the Geneva Bible which were somewhat useful:</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>I'm feeling as though I'm about to waffle but I'll try to keep it concise.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>When I pondered about this I couldn't get my head around what I asked you above. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>So I dug around a few different translations to see what was being said here. From 2 Cor 5:17 I concluded what the evangelists had said in that when we are saved we are a completely new creation (not our physiological body but our spirit). In 2012 I did a study on it but it is too big to post here. A verse that helped me see this:</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Romans 8:10 - "<em>But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness</em>."</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Our mind/behaviour/learned life experience logic needs to catch up with this fact but we do not need to seek a solution for this catchup in another person/or philosophy but in God's Word e.g. Gal 5:22, or in my case James 3:10 whenever a white-van-man cuts me up in the car, plus God directly (James 1:5-6). I guess on some issues it's a case of unlearning bad habits and relearning good habits. It is the catchup process which is a lifetime of learning but it does not detract from the fact that you are a still new creation.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Does that help a little?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>As to the other matter as to the earth being less than 10,000 years old, I'd keep that separate to the Bible verses and let the various theories fight it out with each other. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lotuspetal_uk, post: 65841932, member: 6642"] Got you, I think. :) (still battling some kind of cold) So instead of a thing which is done away with are you thinking now that it's like a work in progress? I can see how you would see that. The other thing I was wondering is your understanding of "the things" used in the verse together with the phrase "new creature". Do you consider them as being the same or two different things? Sorry for so many questions - I don't like to assume and with my foggy head I don't want to misunderstand you. I cross referenced 2 Cor 5:17 with a few other Bible translations below: [b] There are some footnotes from the Geneva Bible which were somewhat useful: I'm feeling as though I'm about to waffle but I'll try to keep it concise. When I pondered about this I couldn't get my head around what I asked you above. :) So I dug around a few different translations to see what was being said here. From 2 Cor 5:17 I concluded what the evangelists had said in that when we are saved we are a completely new creation (not our physiological body but our spirit). In 2012 I did a study on it but it is too big to post here. A verse that helped me see this: Romans 8:10 - "[I]But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness[/I]." Our mind/behaviour/learned life experience logic needs to catch up with this fact but we do not need to seek a solution for this catchup in another person/or philosophy but in God's Word e.g. Gal 5:22, or in my case James 3:10 whenever a white-van-man cuts me up in the car, plus God directly (James 1:5-6). I guess on some issues it's a case of unlearning bad habits and relearning good habits. It is the catchup process which is a lifetime of learning but it does not detract from the fact that you are a still new creation. Does that help a little? As to the other matter as to the earth being less than 10,000 years old, I'd keep that separate to the Bible verses and let the various theories fight it out with each other. :)[/b] [/QUOTE]
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