Illuminati infiltration???

[cherokeehippie]

Here's a question! Does anyone here believe that there is secret satanic societies such as the illuminati, skull and bones, etc, and do you believe that they can infiltrate the charismatic church?? And have anyone had any experience dealing with this??

 

[SavedByGrace3]

They would be more likely to infiltrate non-charismatic churches since many of them do not even acknowledge spiritual manifestations.
The church I grew up in just recently started ordaining sodomites. Who needs the illuminati?

The charismatic churches are the safest congregations to be in.

 

[cherokeehippie]

I have to disagree. That is a dangerous presumption! The Word says to tests the spirits, --that even the antichrist will use signs and wonders to deceive, even if possible the Elect" I believe that satan can mimic the gifts of the spirit--this is not an anticharismatic thread--I believe in the gifts of the spirits, but I also believe that satan can mimic the gifts--I've experienced it myself--when I was real little, satan used my mom, who was in praying in a satanic tongue which almost killed me and made me think that the Lord wanted me dead. I mean, she didn't know the Lord, and I was just 5 and I felt satan's hatred towards me--satan twisted it around and made me think God hated me and wanted me dead. I don't have time to go into that, I'm fixing to go on a trip., But Jesus also spoke that there will be ones who claim to heal and set people free of demons, and yet Jesus tells them that He never knew them! He even tells us that satan will sow tares in the field. I really believe that illuminati types have and will infiltrate charismatic churches. It's not the dead liberal churches that a threat to satan, but it's the charismatic churches, so he will aim at infiltrating the charismatic churches to do his most damage. I mean, in the liberal churches, and homosexual churches, etc, it's soooo obvious, but I really feel that satan can get real subtle and go for the charismatic churches. To be honest, there's a certain person here in town, that I wonder who might be an infiltrator. That's why I bring this up. I mean, there are some 'charismatics' that I get the creeps around. She told me that the church(that I was visiting at the time) had had a prophetic word that a witch was going to infiltrate it. She told me this, after I had brought in my drum and drummed in worship to the Lord with the worship music(the service seemed dead and not going anywhwere and my drumming broke the hinderance)--it blessed others, but she said it freaked some out and told me about that prophetic word, but I asked someone else who had been there longer than that woman, and they said they didn't remember a prophetic word being given about a witch coming in. I feel weird vibes around that first lady.

 

[Starcrystal]

I used to be in the occult and can tell you from firsthand experience that the churches satan wanted to infiltrate were pentecostal, charismatic churches. He also tries to drag down any church thats making an impact on saving souls. Satan doesn't bother much with dead "Sardisian" churches...he already has them where he wants them: ineffective.
How does satan do it? I was asked to report back to the cult leader all the activities of the Pastors & leaders which threatened to save anyone from satans clutches. Also to report the names of new members or anyone who was wavering in the faith so the cult could offer them more power through darkness. I must sadly confess I turned at least one weak brother from his nominal Christianity to satanism. We also infiltrated the church with music and the guitarist played hypnotic trance music while we prayed to the devil! I'd volunteer to clean the church and draw pentagrams under the pews, asking demons to affect anyone who sat over them.
The cult leader told me many of satans greatest workers are in the church, disguised as Christians. Please don't get all paranoid and start looking for witches in your services. One thing to look for is anyone who comes in and starts programs that sound good but actually divide the church. Another is any church member who is also a member of a Masonic lodge.
The main thing is to pray for Gods discernment. God actually showed one of the leaders what i was doing and exposed me. I'm thankful for it now, but back then in the 80's I was upset the devils plans were foiled.
As far as Illuminati, I was never that high up on the occult ladder, but I hear people in those secret societies often attend church to appear righteous in the publics eye. We just need to pray God reveals satans plots and expose them, but again, don't go trying to investigate and find out on your own. that would only cause uneccesary contention.
Pray God delivers the occultists. The positive thing is they are sitting under the word, so pray if they are there, they will be convicted of their sin and repent.

 

[cherokeehippie]

StarCrystal, That's just what I thought, too--about infiltration, etc! The lady that I wonder about seems to really be involved in civic projects, neighborhood watch program against crime, etc, real active and dresses real professional, etc, In fact there's a newspaper article on her in this weeks paper. I just feel creepy about her. I usually stay away from her-- I was involved in the intercession group in that church at one point and it was as if I couldn't get my prayers in--I think it was her, she would just get in and pray--as if she was interrupting and keeping me from praying. I wondered if she knew my drum worship was powerful warfare and told me that people thought I was a witch and that a prophetic word was given about a witch infiltrating the church just to try to 'discourage me from bringing my drum in, etc. One day she even was sitting in a row infront of me and turned around looking at me as if she knew I knew something, or as if she thought I was a fellow witch, or something. I don't know how to explain it. They would kill me if I tried to investigate??!!! I know, I very much believe what you tell me, even though it's sooo hard for me to imagine why people would want to worship satan and that sort of thing goes on. I can see people getting decieved into occultism(like I was when I was 12, messing around with the Ouiji board--before I was saved), but for people to actually willingly worship satan! It's so hard to believe and yet I know, they do. I have other questions, too!!! But I'm going to send you a private message to do that! Lara

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I have to disagree....

Well sister, we have had this discussion before. I thank you for well thought out opinion.
Be strong in the Lord and the power of His might!
Didy

 

[cherokeehippie]

Also, I'm assuming that infiltrators will also accuse those truly strong in the Lord, or discerning, as being witches, just like what happened at the witchhunts at Salem, etc. I can't remember everything about Salem but I think I remember that's what happened.

 

[Memes]

I think Satan will try anything he can and once you experience any 'bad vibes' within your church, he's already there. I wish you luck, and strength.

memes

 

[PottersClay]

I really believe that illuminati types have and will infiltrate charismatic churches.

Actually, the Illuminati is a governmental entity, of sorts. They do not infiltrate churches. It is the witches and satanist that infiltrate.

It's not the dead liberal churches that a threat to satan, but it's the charismatic churches, so he will aim at infiltrating the charismatic churches to do his most damage.

They dont just target charasmatic churches. They will target any Bible teaching church.

I really feel that satan can get real subtle and go for the charismatic churches.

Unfortunately, satan doesnt need to get subtle in most charasmatic churches. We do not question the operating of spiritual gifts, which is good, but unfortunately, though we are told to "test the spirits" way too many dont, or they dont recognize the wrong spirit.

To be honest, there's a certain person here in town, that I wonder who might be an infiltrator. That's why I bring this up. I mean, there are some 'charismatics' that I get the creeps around. She told me that the church(that I was visiting at the time) had had a prophetic word that a witch was going to infiltrate it. She told me this, after I had brought in my drum and drummed in worship to the Lord with the worship music(the service seemed dead and not going anywhwere and my drumming broke the hinderance)--it blessed others, but she said it freaked some out and told me about that prophetic word, but I asked someone else who had been there longer than that woman, and they said they didn't remember a prophetic word being given about a witch coming in. I feel weird vibes around that first lady.

I hear what you're saying, and you could very well be correct, but I'm telling you, you really need to be careful here. I've been in similar situations, and have learned the hard way all of the things that shouldnt be done.

The progression goes like this:

Something in your spirit is really uncomfortable with someone in your church (or anywhere else for that matter). You dont think a whole lot about it until someone makes a comment that seems to "confirm" your suspicions. That word right there--suspicion--should send up screaming red flags. If you're feeling suspicious, that is NOT of God. If you take that bate of suspicion you've already played into satan's hands.

Now, that doesnt mean there isnt something wrong, but suspicion and accusation is a tool of satan, and God will NEVER use satan's tools to defeat him.

If you (or anyone else) finds themselves in this situation, what you need to do is this:

1. Keep your eyes focused on Jesus.
2. Remember, worship is only warfare when it's offered to God, not when it's aimed at satan.
3. Do not assume this person is infiltrating unless you have incontrovertible proof.
4. Pray for protection for yourself and the congregation
5. Remember, though someone may come in as an intended infiltrater, God's got another end in mind for them. Pray the Lord opens their ears and their heart to truly hear the truth of the Gospel and for this person's salvation
6. Ask the Lord for a genuine love for this person and act on it as He directs.

 

[cherokeehippie]

Thank you PottersClay, that's what I realize too! Focus on Jesus and pray! I don't go to that church anyway, but I realize maybe my part is intercession--which is I know that's where the Lord has me! I would just cause trouble if I talk to other christians about her, etc! It would be like gossip or something.

 

[PottersClay]

Also, I'm assuming that infiltrators will also accuse those truly strong in the Lord, or discerning, as being witches.

That is very true.

 

[cherokeehippie]

Oh yeah, and I agree BIG TIME!!! About the fact that many don't test the spirits as they should in charismatic churches. I'm sort of in the middle ==you're right! ALL Bible Believing churches! because I've experienced it myself, more of the Spirit of Christ--the fruits of the Spirit, in certain 'noncharismatic' bible believing churches than in some 'charismatic' churches which may be flakey, off in wrong doctrine, squabbling, etc.

 

[Andrew]

Smith Wigglesworth once had spiritists attend his meetings. He knew about it (by the Spirit I think) pointed at them and told them to scram, to which they did.

I think the best defence is to flow with the Spirit. If the leadership flows with the Spirit, He will reveal the wolves in the church supernaturally. Otherwise, the leadership may just be clueless.

Col Stringer shared in my church once also that once during service, there was actually a serial killer sitting in his church. He was leading worship but didnt pick up anything in his spirit. Thank God his wife, however, did, when she walked passed him.

In short, the guy was arrested. It was also a wake up call for Col Stringer to be sensitive to the promptings of the Lord. It was what started him on learning how to hear God's voice. Now, He's preaching this subject strongly.

 

[Doctor PHMG]

Here's a question! Does anyone here believe that there is secret satanic societies such as the illuminati, skull and bones, etc, and do you believe that they can infiltrate the charismatic church?? And have anyone had any experience dealing with this??

the skull and bones has already been proven to be true. It has gotten some good media coverage lately since both Bush and Kerry were members of this elite yale fraternity.

BUT the media has only started to talk of this YEARS after conspiracy theorists first exposed the truth.

if anyone wants some good websites for info on the illuminati just private message me.

click here to read a short article on the history of the illuminati (this site has some good articles)

 

[PottersClay]

I feel it critical to repeat this warning:

SUSPICION IS NOT OF GOD.

It does not matter if the thing you're suspicious about is in fact accurate. If you are easily made suspicious, you are treading dangerous ground. Suspicion is a tool of satan, and it will divert your attention from the Lord quicker than anything I've ever seen.

I pray everyone who reads this thread heeds this warning.

 

[Doctor PHMG]

give me the verses where it says suspicion is not of God.

 

[Starcrystal]

Good stuff from everybody! PottersClay makes some really excellent points.

Its also true the Illuminati are more involved in government and trying to bring about a One World Order. They probably leave the church infiltration business to what they consider "the little guys."

I did a study once and found there were actually 6 or 7 levels in occultism. These weren't ranks within individual cults, for there are many, such as the numerous "degrees" of freemasonary. I was probably only involved on the second rung of that ladder, and maybe associated with some people in the third. The Illuminati is either the top or second from the top. Even the leaders of popular cults like the Church of Satan, or organized witchcrafts schools are only around the third to fourth level.

These are interesting things to know, but we should keep focussed on the Lord Jesus and pray daily for His guidance in our lives.

 

[PottersClay]

These are interesting things to know, but we should keep focussed on the Lord Jesus and pray daily for His guidance in our lives.

AMEN, Starcrystal!

Back when the Lord first put me in the situations where I first exposed to demonic spirits and the whole occult scene, my thoughts were being subtly redirected until my primary focus was on the demonic realm.

I was completely unware because I was (at that time) in a constant spiritual battle, and honestly thought I was simply trying to better understand the enemy, and fight him diligently.

Then one day, I was in a worship service and I kept hearing "you're worshipping me" (this was not God speaking). I started rebuking the voice and declair that I only worship Jesus Christ. But the "voice" persisted.

In desparation, I cried out to the Lord to silence this spirit that I assumed was just harrassing me. Instead, the Lord revealed to me that I had become so focused on the demons, that I was worshipping them! I was horrified at the realization. I instantly repented and the accusations stopped.

I'd like to say that's the only trap I fell into, but that wouldnt be even close to the truth. Like I said, I learned my lessons the hard way. So, forgive me if my empassioned warnings come across a little too strong.

Peace,
PottersClay

 

[PottersClay]

give me the verses where it says suspicion is not of God.

Suspicion:

1. The act of suspecting something, especially something wrong, on little evidence or without proof.
2. The condition of being suspected, especially of wrongdoing.
3. A state of uncertainty; doubt.
4. A minute amount or slight indication; a trace.

Since suspicion is based on little to no evidence or proof, it amounts to an accusation. And anyone who has been the object of suspicion can testify to the damage that they endured as a result.

Satan is the accuser. We are not to take up his ways.

 

[LynneClomina]

AMEN, Starcrystal!

Back when the Lord first put me in the situations where I first exposed to demonic spirits and the whole occult scene, my thoughts were being subtly redirected until my primary focus was on the demonic realm.

I was completely unware because I was (at that time) in a constant spiritual battle, and honestly thought I was simply trying to better understand the enemy, and fight him diligently.

Then one day, I was in a worship service and I kept hearing "you're worshipping me" (this was not God speaking). I started rebuking the voice and declair that I only worship Jesus Christ. But the "voice" persisted.

In desparation, I cried out to the Lord to silence this spirit that I assumed was just harrassing me. Instead, the Lord revealed to me that I had become so focused on the demons, that I was worshipping them! I was horrified at the realization. I instantly repented and the accusations stopped.

I'd like to say that's the only trap I fell into, but that wouldnt be even close to the truth. Like I said, I learned my lessons the hard way. So, forgive me if my empassioned warnings come across a little too strong.

Peace,
PottersClay

potter, that is so true, sometimes we focus on the enemy so much that we turn our eyes off Jesus. when i was a baby christian my mentor tried to help me by teching me about spiritual warfare. well, i spent mmore time learning about warfare than i did about Jesus. finally God began speaking to me that ppl got way to involved in that - the armour is not something we weild, it is something we wear - we put on Christ.

i read hank hanegraaf's book about spiritual warfare and the armour of God. i do NOT agree with his cessasionistic stuff that comes through, but he gave a lot of good points on wearing the armour by focussing on God and NOT focussing on waging war with the enemy.

yes, we are in a war.... but on a "real" battlefield, do we spend all our time looking at the enemy and trying to figure out what they are up to? or do we listen only to our commander for our orders? we do not need to scout out the enemy for God, he knows exactly what hes up to already! so as a soldier of Christ's, we dont do anything but listen and obey the commands of our master. let HIM figure out the strategy. if God says pray, pray. if God says war, war. if God doesnt give the order, do not strike, or it's AGAINST orders.