Illegitimate sons

[InSpiritInTruth]

In Deuteronomy 23:2 we read; “A bas-tard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.” You ever wonder what the Lord is trying to show here. We know by scripture that the law is spiritual, so what is the Spirit saying here in this verse of the law?

A bas-tard is a child born out of wedlock, or an illegitimate child. In Hebrews 12:8 we read; “But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bas-tards, and not sons.” This verse is showing the difference between those illegitimate sons, and of those sons who are truly born again of God the Father by way of His Spirit as seen here in Romans 8:14; “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.” Galatians 4:6; “And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”

So the seed is spiritual, just as the meaning of those who are legit sons or illegitimate sons is also spiritual. We also see the difference between the two seeds here in 1 Peter 1:23; “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” The 2 seeds are this; those who are of the serpents evil seed, (flesh, and of the spirit of this world) and those who are born again from above by the Holy Spirit (woman’s seed, and are spirit)


So who are the illegitimate sons, (born of a different father)? Jesus shows us the difference here in John 8:44; “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do….” So this is the other spiritual seed, which is the serpents seed vs. the woman’s seed as seen here in Genesis 3:15; “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

The serpent’s seed are those who are firstborn of this world, who also are flesh (carnally minded.) The woman’s seed are those who are born again from above and are spirit (spiritually minded.) This symbolism is also shown in the sons of the bondwoman vs. the sons of the freewoman. Galatians 4:30; “Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

So the firstborn man being flesh is the illegitimate son being born of the spirit of this world, and is also of their father the devil because of being born into sin (bondage of sin) therefore they are also sons of the bondwoman. This also speaks of those being born of the spirit of that Wicked, being a son of Belial, or the evil man of sin; who also is also the son that shall go into destruction (son of perdition) being that firstborn fleshy minded man.


Jesus said in John 3:6; “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” As the scriptures also say that flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of God, just as the illegitimate sons of the bondwoman (flesh) shall not be fellow heirs with the sons of the freewoman (Spirit). Which also speaks of the same as the Lord said in the opening verse of this thread, that the illegitimate shall not enter the congregation of the Lord.

To be continued.....

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

This illegitimate son that is to be cast out is also symbolized in Dan. Notice in Revelation chapter 7 the tribe of Dan is not mentioned among the 12 tribes (sons) of Israel (Jacob) to be sealed. I believe the reason for this is shown here in 1 Chronicles 5:1; “Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.”

Reuben is the sign of the firstborn son, who also would lose his birth right by reason of transgression. But you might be wondering what that has to do with Dan? Well Reuben defiled his fathers bed with Jacobs concubine Bilhah Genesis 35:22; “And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve:”

And Bilhah gave birth to what I believe is the sign of the illegitimate son in Dan, whose father was really of the firstborn son Reuben. Genesis 35:25; “And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, …” But even these things were given to us as signs of just who this son of perdition would really be, just as we are also given this same sign of the serpents seed in Dan. Genesis 49:17; “Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.” This is also why both John the Baptist and Jesus called those carnally minded hypocrites of their day a generation of vipers (Matthew 3:7, 12:34, 23:33, and Luke 3:7)

Also we see here a similitude of many of the signs mentioned above in a couple of verses so we might know, and better understand the spiritual meaning of the son of who goes into destruction (son of perdition).
Leviticus 24:10; “And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the children of Israel: and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp; Leviticus 24:11; “And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of the Lord, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan)


We have many of the pieces of the mystery shown here, as I also listed them above. First we have the sign of the worldly father (god of this world, or Satan) in the symbolism of the woman’s husband, which is Egyptian. Then we have the sign of the Israelitish woman who is the sign of the bondwoman (earthly Jerusalem) who’s children are of the flesh (Galatians 4:23) who are from the tribe of the illegitimate son Dan (spiritually speaking) which also speaks of the serpents seed (sons of their father the devil).

It was this son who would strive with the man of God, just as the carnally minded man also strives against the Spirit of God. Just as it is written in Galatians 4:29; “But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.


And also as the Lord said in Genesis 6:3; “And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: …” It is those sons who are of that Wicked one which also shall be gathered, bound and burned in the furnace of fire.


Matthew 13:38; “The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;


And the spirit of that Wicked one shall also be consumed and destroyed by the brightness of the Lords coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8; “And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 

[mog144]

Very good work! Me likey!!!

The closing statements/promises in 2 Thes 2:8 (the last posted passage in your second post) is unimaginable in regards to the details of this phenomena; I'll further explain...
I pondered the thought of how God might accomplish these things as He is dealing with us who are both flesh and spirit? Certainly, there must be a reaction to and from either sphere, the natural and the supernatural, that is.
This phenomenon is the geometry of 'What goes around comes around' and I will explain from my vision of this matter.

First, how are the wicked consumed and what is consumed? Notice that it says the spirit of the wicked are consumed, this does not suggest that they vanish or are completely destroyed but a part of them is. Recall the passage where it is written, the wicked will be called 'least' in heaven? Those who have been exalted will be brought down and those who were trodden will be exalted? Well, keep all of this in mind because it involves our 'mind'.

I'd like to introduce an old voodoo myth of the 'Shrunken head' and it's real meaning. It's origin has been linked to a literal and natural ancient and primitive tribal practice but that's where the switches are pulled when satan presents the deception as something else, disguised like a decoy. What we see is NOT what we get! We are experiencing God's curses and Wrath's on account of our violation that we have blindly dismissed for our time. We are told that we suffer from the iniquities of our fathers so there's the direction to search for the cause.
What is coming around is a direct response to what is going out but the switch has been pulled to turn our reasoning backwards [Isa 58:14].
If we did realize how this phenomena behaves in both sphere's we can then know how to prevent the repercussion of our behavior towards God's Law and Order. We would then know what to repent of, and do it willingly!

God presently looks down at a fallen race that He had designed to be quite different, in fact the scripture describes the remnant as 'peculiar'. This is an unrecognized peculiar trait because of the deception. What we see is another thing.

We've been brainwashed with horror movies so that we will deem this spiritual reality as nonsense when we are facing the end-time issue in the face. I'll explain how God sees our present nature; God sees us as shrunken heads because of our depraved minds. The wicked profess God with their lips but their hearts are far off from God. They speak great blasphemies against the Most High so because of their loose lips, God will stitch up their lips so that they are incapable of ever speaking against Him forever. They will be alive in flesh but dead in spirit as their wicked minds were destroyed by a change in the world elements. This involves the evolution theory and science.

These people who will be silenced are the offspring of the wicked fathers who transgressed God's Law & Order, which are the 'Times and Law' of God. In our time, this violation was repeated by our founding fathers in 1848 when they secretly launched the New World Order under a guise, that's another deep area of religiopolitical discussion.

The shrunken heads may also be presented as 'Zombies' or better yet, the muted humans in the movies series, 'Planet of the Apes'. That movie is another brainwashing product of the U.S. government conspiracy to brainwash Americans and eventually, the entire world with her NWO attractive lifestyle, aka, 'Love, American Style'.

Those muted humans will be the ones who are called 'least' in heaven. The humble and meek humans will not speak anything that defiles them, there is no guile found in their mouths because they have a higher intelligence that equals to 'Hi-fi' minds in comparison to the 'Sweet 16' mindset of our 'American Pie' society. The plot is to evolve our minds into ape-like status in God's eyes. God sees the wicked as satan's children and they have the imagery of the mark of the beast that is symbolized in numbers as 666. God doesn't see numbers, the numbers were given to us for calculation purposes, for instruction as to 'Rightly divide' the Word and the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Our government has created the 'American Pie' nostalgia as a tool to deprave our minds so not to comprehend truths. This 'American Pie' movie is another brainwash tool. The significance is in the Greek nature and it's spiritual repercussion. The spiritual title of the movie should be 'American Pi' because it's level of intelligence is based on the 16th Greek alphabet and has a spiritual link to the mind that is gained as intelligence.
This Sweet 16 intelligence is of a lower nature and like that of a human beast, this is the element of the man and beast amalgamation theory. It's about the 'mind' and not an absurd beastly looking creature like the 'Swamp thing'. BTW, that movie is another mockery of the spiritual truth of this amalgamation debate, it's all for the purpose to confuse us.

The Brightness of His coming is a New Gospel that comes as enlightenment and as a new Spirit that resurrects the shrunken heads before their lips are stitched shut forever. The enlightened ones are Sealed by God intellectually and cannot be corrupted with false doctrine. The wicked minds are literally fried by a physical Polarity change in the solar system. This phenomena may be more widespread-effective than just our solar system, I believe that it's Universal, as all things are related in One.

Scientists know that a reversal in Earth's Polarity would destroy all life on our planet. The other fact is that a full Polarity change also changes all elements in and on and around Earth. This Polarity phenomena is directly related to magnetism and this is also another area of definition where we may use the natural law of God found in magnetism.

The minds of living creatures are parallel to our Mother Earth. Imagine a globe sitting atop of your shoulders, and your head/mind as the earth that we tread on. What we do to our Mother Earth we do to our minds, and what we do to our minds we do to our Mother Earth. I see a corrupted mindset that says, to hell with God, let's rape our mother over and over and then kill her, and when she's dead we'll seek out one of her sisters to ravish, Mars?

Okay, I'm overwhelming with words but this is the general basics that involve an incredible realm of religion and science.

God bless you all

 

[mog144]

Additionally, for those who are wondering about any signs of the Second Coming, well, our attempt to leave Earth in search of another is one major 'Red flag' to consider. In regards to what I said in my previous post, our Mother Earth who is the 'First' and ONLY- "First Lady" is almost extinct on every level, and it is us that God is mostly concerned about because it is us that determine the fate of our Universe.

God must return soon before we fall over the 'Intelli-Cliff' to the point of no return. If we are presently @ the 2% of 1/10 mental capacity then I suggest that we don't have far to walk before stepping over the cliff. What are we waiting for? Are we waiting until we reach the level of 0.02% of 1/10 the total capacity?

If God doesn't come soon He will lose the battle and have nothing to Redeem for His Sacrifices. His Word will not return void to those who have an ear.

The latest research indicates that humans now use only 2% of 1/10 of the brain's total capacity; this level is a significant decrease since the last findings, and that statistic was determined perhaps, 50 years ago? The reason for our rapid decrease in intelligence is because of our transgressions. Our disorderly conduct is the cause for our mental depravity but there is 'Hope' and a way out.

As I said before, what we do to our Mother we do to ourselves, mentally and spiritually. What goes around comes around and when we destroy our Earth we destroy our minds and spirits. The faster that we pollute our Mother the faster we decline in mental knowledge of God and 'Phi' level intelligence. We have quenched the True Spirit of our Father when we rebelled and fell for the desires of the flesh and earthly things. Our spiritual appearance is that of zombies with shrunken heads and loose lips, and each one of us, in our fallen nature are as gods because we teamed up with the adversary to be exalted over the Commandment that God issued in the very Beginning, and that was a simple command, to honor our Father (Him) and honor our Mother (Earth) and we will do well, and well for Eternity.

Father, please don't forsake us in spite that we have forsaken You and Your Bride-Mother, Earth!

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[ptomwebster]

In Deuteronomy 23:2 we read; “A bas-tard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.”
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The word in Deut 23:2 is "H4464 ממזר , mamzêr, From an unused root mian. to alienate; a mongrel, that is, born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother: - bastard." It is not the same as our word, it is not a child born out of wedlock.

 

[mog144]

The word in Deut 23:2 is "H4464 ממזר , mamzêr, From an unused root mian. to alienate; a mongrel, that is, born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother: - bastard." It is not the same as our word, it is not a child born out of wedlock.

May I suggest an updated view of this fulfillment? As all prophecies and prophets, it is written that all of the prophets have spoken of the end-times, this said, they have all experienced the same in their time and are said to repeat, the scripture confirms itself in this sense.

Now, for our time, the identities change while the story remains the same; this is so to protect the innocent, those who had once lived it and are judged individually. What was once Israel is now another and then another; there are mini-series similar fulfillment occurring in the main event of our time, We can know to look for specific characters who mimic those in prophecy and we can synchronize the natural and prophetic timelines with the correct combination, just the same as a combination-lock where the correct and specific set of a said amount of number codes are input in a specific sequence and 'Direction' in order for the lock to release the latch.

If we look for present-day parallels to the former visions that the prophets describe and by knowing their peculiar sense of visionary we can then put the puzzle pieces together. We need the correct image that was once lost like the box top photo of a puzzle.

The generations are not by literal bloodline but by nationality, and in this case of today's fulfillment, it's our Nation. "The generations, even to his tenth" suggests that the reference is made to an 11th who is looking down the lineage in nationality or the rulers of his nation, better yet, this prophecy is specifically identifying individuals in U.S. history but the book of Daniel was once sealed up until recent and the Latter-day Rain is POURING down from buckets of Golden Oil.

This 11th who thus has 10 generations is the 11th President of the USA. If any person uses these identities they can then unseal the book of Daniel and Revelation and then they will have the Everlasting Gospel, which is the spoken testimony of our Jesus Christ.

The 11th Prez was involved in the NWO conspiracy of 1848, this is truth and it will be known, as all things in secret were meant to be revealed in the last-day.

... The Spirit of Prophecy-Christ is here, in Spirit and in Truth, just look a bit closer.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The word in Deut 23:2 is "H4464 ממזר , mamzêr, From an unused root mian. to alienate; a mongrel, that is, born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother: - bastard." It is not the same as our word, it is not a child born out of wedlock.

None the less it is the sign of the illegitimate sons (spiritually speaking) as I tried to make clear in my OP. (Not born again of the Heavenly Father, or the Heavenly Mother; which is the Jerusalem from above)

 

[ptomwebster]

You all just do not want to understand what "born-again" really means. So be it!

And the word in Deut 23:2 is still "H4464 ממזר , mamzêr, no matter what you want it to be. God did not want His people to mix with other races.

 

[childofdust]

You all just do not want to understand what "born-again" really means. So be it!

Ouch. A tad harsh, dude. But you're on to something important that our friend InSpiritInTruth needs to understand...

In Deuteronomy 23:2 we read; “A bas-tard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.” You ever wonder what the Lord is trying to show here. We know by scripture that the law is spiritual, so what is the Spirit saying here in this verse of the law?

First and foremost, the Law is not “spiritual” as opposed to physical. Such a dichotomy my have been created in MUCH later, New Testament times, after the advent of Hellenism, in order to serve as a tool for teaching, but, importantly and fundamentally, the Spirit said Deut 23:2 because YHWH is holy and required that Israel be holy as well, which means that they must distinguish who can and who cannot enter into the holy places. What InSpiritInTruth has done, and which he needs to understand, is that by ignoring this fundamental and important thing and reducing it to something “spiritual,” he has degraded and disgraced the word of god. That is not to say that his other points are invalid. He makes some very good points. The problem is, by introducing the Law only to write it off as being irrelevant except in a different context, he has treated it flippantly instead of showing it the honor and dignity it deserves as a real command of God given to a real people, whose life and death hinged on it being followed.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Ouch. A tad harsh, dude. But you're on to something important that our friend InSpiritInTruth needs to understand...





First and foremost, the Law is not “spiritual” as opposed to physical. Such a dichotomy my have been created in MUCH later, New Testament times, after the advent of Hellenism, in order to serve as a tool for teaching, but, importantly and fundamentally, the Spirit said Deut 23:2 because YHWH is holy and required that Israel be holy as well, which means that they must distinguish who can and who cannot enter into the holy places. What InSpiritInTruth has done, and which he needs to understand, is that by ignoring this fundamental and important thing and reducing it to something “spiritual,” he has degraded and disgraced the word of god. That is not to say that his other points are invalid. He makes some very good points. The problem is, by introducing the Law only to write it off as being irrelevant except in a different context, he has treated it flippantly instead of showing it the honor and dignity it deserves as a real command of God given to a real people, whose life and death hinged on it being followed.

Paul asks here saying...

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Then Paul goes onto expounding it allegorically (two women, two covenants etc etc)

Even here Paul says...

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual

And even The Holy Ghost teaches in the same manner

1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

I thought his post was great, dont know how he disgraces the word of God. Just not seeing that.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The law is spiritual, just as the Word of God is also spiritual. That is why we who are truly born of God compare spiritual things with spiritual as the scriptures also say.

It is those who have their minds covered by the covering cherub who cannot see the true spiritual things of God, because the vail of the flesh remains upon their hearts and minds.

2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Until a person is made a new man in Christ (born again) he cannot receive the new wine (which also is spiritual.)

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Here we also see that spiritual serpents seed mentioned.

Isaiah 1:4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

Isaiah 14:20
Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Good seed is of the Lord.
Evil seed is of the Devil.

 

[Fireinfolding]

1John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Sounds alot like one receiving a love for the truth (of God) and the other which loveth and maketh a lie (of the devil) Ye are manifested as one or the other even in that sense.

Even as manifestedly declared (either or) and by their fruits (or lack thereof) you will know them