If you were creator

[Percivale]

What would your ideal possible world be? If you could create a universe, or choose one to live in, which would you think best?
For instance, should it have intelligent life, if so mortal or immortal, or some of each?
How should it begin and end, how long of a timespan between?
How easy should life be, what challenges and goals should be available?
What kind of natural world, how complex, how changeable?

Or to make it easier, you could just say what you would change about our world if you could.

 

[Chany]

Congratulations, you are the first thread in over a year (possibly more) that I did not determine my response immediately after I read it. I actually have to take time and reflect upon my answer.

 

[Eudaimonist]

For instance, should it have intelligent life, if so mortal or immortal, or some of each?

I'd go with intelligent life with long (1000+ years) lifespans. I'm not evil enough to wish immortality on them.

How should it begin and end, how long of a timespan between?

I don't have any particular preferences, other than a benevolent desire that civilization lasts for a long time.

How easy should life be, what challenges and goals should be available?

There should be moderate challenges, making life neither too easy, nor too difficult.

I'd not want to see a hedonistic "utopia" where all people do is sit around being fed grapes and wine by AI servants. I'd rather see people live creative and productive lives building their galactic republic and their self-esteem as a free people.

What kind of natural world, how complex, how changeable?

There are whole galaxies out there with a diversity of planets. It would be ideal if many of them are inhabitable or terraformable, and that a quick way of reaching them was possible and known.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[GrowingSmaller]

"Co-creation" is a fashionable buzzword.

 

[ananda]

What would your ideal possible world be? If you could create a universe, or choose one to live in, which would you think best?
For instance, should it have intelligent life, if so mortal or immortal, or some of each?
How should it begin and end, how long of a timespan between?
How easy should life be, what challenges and goals should be available?
What kind of natural world, how complex, how changeable?

Or to make it easier, you could just say what you would change about our world if you could.

In my universe, I would offer endless opportunities for growth, for all life. Rebirth and the cause & effect of karma would be the rule to provide such opportunities in a just manner. Minimum life span would be dependent on the number of lessons needed to be learned to reach "the next level". The physical self would be mortal, while the spiritual self would be immortal, to allow the individual consciousness to experience varying life paths commensurate to their personal need for self growth. The ultimate goal in life would be to transcend and graduate beyond the need for the physical self and its lessons, to achieve union with the Uncreated. The natural physical world is only the training ground which points to such a goal.

In essence, this is the universe I perceive we are living in now.

 

[paulm50]

It would be far smaller, most of the Universe is unnecessary.

Far simpler, an "intelligent life form, has a bad habit of doing stupid things. Maybe nothing more intelligent than a Monkey. Lush forest, grasslnads and vegitaion

So as a creator I can look down on it ant see living things only killing others to eat and reproduce.

No place for Man. To keep it peaceful.

 

[Soyeong]

There are a number of changes that seem like a good idea to me, but the reality is that I'm not wiser than God.

 

[True Scotsman]

What would your ideal possible world be? If you could create a universe, or choose one to live in, which would you think best?
For instance, should it have intelligent life, if so mortal or immortal, or some of each?
How should it begin and end, how long of a timespan between?
How easy should life be, what challenges and goals should be available?
What kind of natural world, how complex, how changeable?

Or to make it easier, you could just say what you would change about our world if you could.

I am not smart enough to create an entire universe. Besides I think the one that exists is pretty great. If I could change one thing about the world it would be to wipe out of existence and remove all memory of the concept of self sacrifice. I think that would solve most of the problems in the world today. I think I would give the rest of my life to live five years in such a world.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I am not smart enough to create an entire universe. Besides I think the one that exists is pretty great. If I could change one thing about the world it would be to wipe out of existence and remove all memory of the concept of self sacrifice. I think that would solve most of the problems in the world today. I think I would give the rest of my life to live five years in such a world.

That's a good point. My ideal world would have to have some sort of rational, pro-flourishing culture. Such a culture would have to be developed enough to reach the common person on a deep emotional level, and so there would have to be a rich artistic and story-telling tradition, in my reckoning.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[juvenissun]

What would your ideal possible world be? If you could create a universe, or choose one to live in, which would you think best?
For instance, should it have intelligent life, if so mortal or immortal, or some of each?
How should it begin and end, how long of a timespan between?
How easy should life be, what challenges and goals should be available?
What kind of natural world, how complex, how changeable?

Or to make it easier, you could just say what you would change about our world if you could.

One thing you should consider: What to create first?
Create things in sequence? Or create everything all at once?

Warning, things you created will think and question you: Does the creation make sense or not? Are you sure you can create?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

One thing you should consider: What to create first?
Create things in sequence? Or create everything all at once?

Warning, things you created will think and question you: Does the creation make sense or not? Are you sure you can create?

Unless you make beings that don't question you. Seems easy enough, if you can do anything.

I'll have to think about my answer because there is quite a bit I'd change about the world.

 

[juvenissun]

Unless you make beings that don't question you. Seems easy enough, if you can do anything.

I'll have to think about my answer because there is quite a bit I'd change about the world.

So, do you want to make a being that can question you or not?

If you do, then you make a change about the world, then the being you created starts to question you about your change. Do you like that?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

So, do you want to make a being that can question you or not?

No I don't. I want being who obey my every command without question. In my opinion, being a god means that nobody can question your absolute authority. That's what I want. That's not what God has if he does exist. I question him all the time.

If you do, then you make a change about the world, then the being you created starts to question you about your change. Do you like that?

No. That's who I wouldn't give my creation the ability to object. It simply wouldn't occur to then that there is any other way. They would be faithful and loyal without question.

 

[paulm50]

Unless you make beings that don't question you. Seems easy enough, if you can do anything.

I'll have to think about my answer because there is quite a bit I'd change about the world.

Why create something that can think for itself, then punish it for doing so? Not a bright move as it creates nothing but trouble and leads the creator to kill or get others to do his work. Because he's not capable of convincing people to do the right thing.

Circular reasoning.

Best not to create anything that can think enough to make major decisions.

 

[Gottservant]

That's a good point. My ideal world would have to have some sort of rational, pro-flourishing culture. Such a culture would have to be developed enough to reach the common person on a deep emotional level, and so there would have to be a rich artistic and story-telling tradition, in my reckoning.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Although I didn't read everything closely - this was easily a brilliant answer (so I thought I'd quote, it)

In response to the question, I think you are possibly (possibly _____) circling around the question of what God actually showed faith in, in order to create this Universe - I think that's a brilliant question: I just want to see if you have faith in it, before I answer (what that, is _____ _____).

Thanks.

Also, if you just want to have fun, maybe ask yourself whether you would change the world as you went or set it up to change beforehand (that's, where I would start _____).

 

[paulm50]

Who here would create a cage of mice that were programmed to kill others to win the entire cage?

That's how Man has lived since we grew to the level of organised Hunter Gatherers. Our recent history shows tribes of mainly hunter gatherers, who fought each other for control of the areas they lived in.

And the one constant theme in out growth to today is our ability to kill each other for power. Today it's Islam's turn, not so long ago it was Christians. Many cities are battle grounds for gangs fighting for control. Is any race, culture, clan innocent of killing others for their land?

Once a creator, creates something like Humans, or even Chimps. The species will kill each other.

Is that the intention?

 

[plummyy]

What would your ideal possible world be? If you could create a universe, or choose one to live in, which would you think best?
For instance, should it have intelligent life, if so mortal or immortal, or some of each?
How should it begin and end, how long of a timespan between?
How easy should life be, what challenges and goals should be available?
What kind of natural world, how complex, how changeable?

Or to make it easier, you could just say what you would change about our world if you could.

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• Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate--the cycle and system of

I savor a world which is made only of plants as it's inhabitants, underwater, and complete with a balanced bio-system that is regulated without interference. The problem with creating a universe is that it's never enclosed, there always has to be another layer to the onion, and a layer for the next one as well. I don't like onions. I'm bad at math. I would try to create a universe enclosed inside a single raindrop inhabited only by microscopic plants, without mentioning a sun or a source in which that raindrop came from. I'm not the ideal, I Am.

I've played Sims---I know, as anyone who has played that game knows, what would be done to this world should we be allowed to manipulate it. In all reality, maybe the first week would be spent making everything pretty, curing cancer (that's god's job, right?) but then it gets boring. Then, as god, you wonder how many children one person can have. Or try and figure out cheat codes to make your favorite families rich beyond reason, while making another family work for their money, just out of curiosity. Maybe if anyone could be a creator, or god, or mother nature, the world would be drastically different--maybe it wouldn't change at all ?

 

[juvenissun]

No I don't. I want being who obey my every command without question. In my opinion, being a god means that nobody can question your absolute authority. That's what I want. That's not what God has if he does exist. I question him all the time.

No. That's who I wouldn't give my creation the ability to object. It simply wouldn't occur to then that there is any other way. They would be faithful and loyal without question.

That would be a quite boring god.
I don't think you want to be him.

 

[juvenissun]

Who here would create a cage of mice that were programmed to kill others to win the entire cage?

That's how Man has lived since we grew to the level of organised Hunter Gatherers. Our recent history shows tribes of mainly hunter gatherers, who fought each other for control of the areas they lived in.

And the one constant theme in out growth to today is our ability to kill each other for power. Today it's Islam's turn, not so long ago it was Christians. Many cities are battle grounds for gangs fighting for control. Is any race, culture, clan innocent of killing others for their land?

Once a creator, creates something like Humans, or even Chimps. The species will kill each other.

Is that the intention?

So, you do not want to create life?

 

[Percivale]

I'd go with intelligent life with long (1000+ years) lifespans. I'm not evil enough to wish immortality on them.



I don't have any particular preferences, other than a benevolent desire that civilization lasts for a long time.



There should be moderate challenges, making life neither too easy, nor too difficult.

I'd not want to see a hedonistic "utopia" where all people do is sit around being fed grapes and wine by AI servants. I'd rather see people live creative and productive lives building their galactic republic and their self-esteem as a free people.



There are whole galaxies out there with a diversity of planets. It would be ideal if many of them are inhabitable or terraformable, and that a quick way of reaching them was possible and known.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Sounds like your ideal universe might be achievable, and I tend to agree with it. Btw if, as it seems, you like virtue ethics and Aristotle, I'm with you on that too. (though I think virtue ethics and utilitarianism complement each other, neither complete without the other).
I have some doubts about the long lives though; the longer people live the more attached to living they sometimes get, perhaps shorter lives but then an afterlife is kinder. Long lives would be good for scientific advance and galactic exploration though.